Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 90

@zyx yet another reason not to go anywhere near #Slack ;)
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/slacking-off

@mathieu ok, so you're going to double-down on the passive-aggression, eh? You can go on mute for a few days, while you think about diplomacy and how important it is when promoting projects you're involved with. Enjoy :)

Turns out I'm officially "old". I'm now reading nostalgia pieces about the 'golden age of more than 20 years ago', and nodding along in agreement. The web was better when you had to learn HTML to publish on it, #GetOffMyLawn you dang #Javascript kids! But who do I have to blame but myself and my comrades, who were busy trying to recruit people to use the net and make user-friendly publishing tools in projects like #Indymedia? We helped make this mess. We can help fix it.
https://www.theringer.com/tech/2018/12/19/18148701/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-year-in-review

@mathieu you're not obliged to keep answering me, of course. But if you do, please be aware that I interpret a comment like ...

> you seem to have a lot of time to spend asking for answers

... as a passive-aggressive way of accusing me of being a time-waster. This is the sort of thing people often do when they start worrying they might not be 100% right, but can't admit it. The polite thing to do is to admit that you could be wrong, and either move on, or try to learn the answers together :)

@mathieu you seem to have picked a fight, then got upset with me for the fact that you found yourself in a fight. For me, this was never a fight. I made some statements of fact; eg GNOME uses more resources than most other DEs, and some statements of opinion based on experience; eg users with older PCs are better off with one of the lighter DEs.

You made some statements of fact, eg:
> It has also become massively more useful in the last 10 years.

I tried to find out why you think that's true.

@z428 another thing I've thought about a lot is DE toolbar where every time I click a button on the GUI, there is toolbar where I can see what that does at the code level. In other words, what I would have to enter in a #Bash terminal to get the result as I got from pressing the button.
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/towbar
@alcinnz

@z428 @alcinnz another example of the same principle is when editing tools produce code, instead of #WYSIWYG. For example, where you select a bit of text, click a 'link' button in a toolbar, and paste in a URL. In #Xinha (at least the version we use on #CoActivate) doing that produces a WYSIWYG link. In other editors, it produces a link in #MarkDown for #HTML. The user gets the handholding, but can see easy it is to create that same code themselves. Demystification is key.

@z428 I've seen quite a few friends teaching their kids basic coding using #Scratch. I imagine this would be particularly helpful for visual learners. I'm more of an aurul/ kinesthetic learner, so learning by coping code out of an eBook and hacking on it, with occasional tips from conversations with a mentor, is fine for me. Anyway, it's an example of a teaching IDEs that does more handholding than an experienced coder needs (or wants) ...
@alcinnz

@alcinnz you're living in Aotearoa these days? I didn't know that!
@dch @natecull @certifiedperson

@mathieu
> you seem to have a lot of time to spend asking for answers

Let's not get personal. If you time to engage in personal attacks, you have time to answer reasonable questions that relate to the claims of fact you've made here.

> GNOME integrated IBus

Mate also integrates IBus. So again, what does GNOME do better for all the extra system resources it chews up?

"Right now, all of the places we can assemble on the web in any kind of numbers are privately owned. And privately-owned public spaces aren’t real public spaces." - Anil Dash again
https://anildash.com/2012/12/18/rebuilding_the_web_we_lost/

"But the terms and dynamics can be profoundly different, supporting startups that are intentionally less efficient, perhaps even making use of the skills of blue collar coders to provide a lot of people will good, solid middle-class jobs instead of optimizing, as current companies do, for making a small number of people enormously wealthy." - Anil Dash, 'Rebuilding the Web We Lost'
https://anildash.com/2012/12/18/rebuilding_the_web_we_lost/
#PlatformCooperatives

@dch there's a lot more than 3. @natecull is from Aotearoa too. Lots of the folks on this instance (mastodon.nzoss.nz) are kiwis, for obvious reasons. In the early days of the fediverse (using OStatus), we had a !kiwi group that people could join, and get any post from another member that included !kiwi in the post. Hopefully that feature will be restored one day.
@certifiedperson

@RandomDamage I would go futher and abolish the patent system altogether. I think the theory it's based on was debunked by practice, even before the digital age:
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2016/04/11/patents-2-are-they-actually-any-use-at-all/

@noorul not me. I don't make any money at all. My wife is the breadwinner, and I do my activist work in between doing the housework ;)

@noorul what is your existing model? Are you running an #ECommerce site on top of a CMS or something? If so, is it a product sales site like Amazon or #Etsy, or an auction site like #EBay?

@clacke you can leave *a* state. But only if you get permission from another state to enter their territory. That's not voluntary association, even in a narrow technical sense. You don't have any choice about whether to be governed by a state or not (unless you're a long way out to sea I guess), although there are #PirateUtopias (to quote #HakimBey) where the ability of the state to enforce its governance is much lower than the average (see #DavidGraeber's ethnographies of Madagascar).

@clacke private debt implies usury, which implies that there is extra value to be extracted as a "return on investment". Enough to make it worth the risk of defaults. With a lot of latent economic energy, the returns are not high enough, or the scale not big enough, or the timeframe for result not short enough, to interest the lenders who are sitting on all the gold on behalf of the 1%. Besides, as #DougRushkoff explains in #ThrowingRocks... this just reinforces the financialization of power.

@emacsen @cwebber just listened to last 1/3 of the show. Absolutely agree with you both that free culture lacks not only a functioning funding economy, but a lot of the institutions and practices (ie the *culture*) that has built up in free code software dev since the 1980s. Things like sharing of works in "source" form (like #Blender does), collaboration on shared components, consistent use of #SharedFormats, and so on. Almost every free creative work that exists is dumped over the wall as -is.

@mathieu a comparison between 2 close increments can be very misleading. When unemployment has been going up a lot for a long time, then dips down a tiny bit, governing politicians like to show off graphs with a very short timescale, and claim it shows a huge improvement.

Can you show me graphs of GNOME resource usage over the last decade (ideally not just RAM, also CPU, size of base install on drive etc)? How many times has it gone up vs. gone down? Is the overall trend up or down?
@noorul