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Notices by Saltiest Cloister (saltiestcloister@quitter.im), page 2
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@gemlog @jeremiah Nope, you're doing alright, because you're consciously seeking out those whose views and lives differ from your own. Such differences ought to keep us humble, speaking from our own experiences and not beyond our ken. (I hope I'm getting more humble, as that's the only virtue we can hope to acquire, said T. S. Eliot anyway.) These actions of yours are, unfortunately, not that normative, but ought to be a way forward.
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@gemlog @jeremiah All I've to say to that is imagine that you went around with duct tape and just, when you heard someone saying something offensive, laid 'er on down over the mouth! What gets me about the muting and blocking is that it tends toward the creation of echo-chambers, of Yayoi Kusama's Infinity Mirrors, and doesn't make room for dialogue. We have to keep on walking and talking with one another, fundamentally.... There are moments where we do have to cut ties with one another, but those are to be mourned, or gratefully taken for safety's sake.
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@bigl0af @grok this is like vid.me, eh?
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@hakui @hfaust Upon what else can we build but the small, simple interactions of one person with another? There's another tale of one monk falling asleep during the liturgy and, in humility, the other monk gently laying his brother's head upon his shoulder to rest. These stories of love and courage and humility (and a refusal to see the world other than in the clothes of those who need to love and be loved) are what sustain us, invigorate the humane spark, remind us who we are. Thomas Merton once said, Who we need to be is who we are.
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@inkslinger @angle Well, that's crummy. The question then, for unionized workers at least, is whether one reforms from the inside of the union or builds rank-and-file alternatives in every work-site outside of the given limitations.
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@hakui @hfaust Why defend what's always and only been a gift? I am reminded of the desert monks who wanted to fight as the world fought and so they brought a brick and sat down and the one gave the brick to the other and said, It's mine, to which the other monk replied, It's yours, and so they could not fight. :)
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@gemlog @jeremiah Once the sociopathy shows up--beholden to developers' interests, the lack of a lot thrown in with the poorest, &c.--it's time to get them out as 'delegates'. There should be a petition tabled at that moment for said candidate to be immediately recalled.
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@jeremiah @gemlog Well, you think of them, I suppose, and monitor the water level and where it's going and coming from, I'd say. I haven't any practical idea on this, but that may be a start. It would start with the folks up-stream thinking of them in love, as people known to be affected by their decisions, and building on from there. Choosing less, the way of a de-growth movement (which is rarely countenanced in main-stream [pardon the pun] environmentalism), seems to be a good way forward. Voluntary poverty, emphasis on the voluntariety, is important.
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@gemlog @jeremiah Ai OH! :D
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@gemlog @jeremiah Michael Harris' Solitude cites a German word for that trail: digital slime, they call it, like a slug's. I'm with you regarding Wittgenstein; as a pal of mine says, 'fearless welcome'.
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@jeremiah @gemlog I would establish neighbourhood councils. Devolve all municipal 'powers' into those councils, which would be open to all residents, housed or not, propertied or property-less, and go from there. Down all fences, excepting pools, kids, and pets; establish district energy by neighbourhood, governed by scale; and go from there.
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@jeremiah @gemlog Term limits are also lovely!
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@jeremiah @gemlog You check their policies, not their gender or any other angle on identity politics, and go from there.
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@gemlog Yes, that was the question: borders--what do you think of 'em?
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@jeremiah @gemlog As the Hebrew prophets said, Stop building your cities with the blood of the poor as mortar. The dispossession never changes, yet we live in hope. Someone said somewhere, The question isn't whether the meek (almost wrote 'meet', which would be COMPLETELY different) will inherit the earth, but how long they'll hold on to it once they've got it. :)
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@hakui @hfaust That might involve stopping the payment of taxes for national defence.
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@aparrish I hope you find one. :)
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@natecull They serve them at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
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@gemlog @jeremiah Sortition! That would be a lark in this day and age. It's probably how Trump got in.
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@jeremiah @gemlog I should hope it's more than 'fun diversion'. I think of Handel's words to his musical patron: I should be sorry, milord, if I only entertained them.