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Notices by Sean Tilley (dsh@deadsuperhero.com), page 15
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Oh, thanks; that wasn't available last time I looked into it.
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You might read this idots guide And may be give some feedback to @Andrew Manning what is not clear enough.
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I'd really like finally to understand exactly what Hubzilla is and does, because it sounds really interesting and something I think I'd like to take part in, but I've never been able to get my head around exactly what it is. So an idiot's guide would be much appreciated by me!
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@Woozle Hypertwin NUC This was no criticism.
Just a let's play and have fun, learn. You are the one that can change the world. Installing Hubzilla is not as complicate as one would think. Neither is it as expansive as one might think. You just have to take some time.
@Sean Tilley The feature to use tokens for guests might be interesting.
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hubzilla is not for "simple" administrators, but for people who know what to do, so... not everyone can be an administrator for an hubzilla hub. this is true, and those who have known these networks for some years, and all the old and new hub problems , can only confirm this.
you must be a Senior administrator to keep hubzilla going for years.
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But Einar, you do understand that this list is still beyond the majority.
Hell, I've been self-hosting for years, I host my own Hubzilla instance, and I don't know what a NUC or ZOTAC is.
If there's a turnkey Hubzilla hosting service -- like masto.host for Mastodon -- then you might have a case.
But until then, kris still has a point: there's still a great deal of trust involved.
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starred this post
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To become an admin of your own hub simply
- buy a domain for 10€ at selfHOST
- pay 1,50 € per month for the dynamic IP address
- buy a simple NUC or ZOTAC without van for 100-100 € or take your old hardware
- Install Debian on the NUC, ZOTAC whatever
- Run this install script that does all for you including
- installation of software
- certificate from letsencrypt (renews itself automatically)
- daily backup
- daily update of Debian and Hubzilla
Bonus: You learn a lot.
Bonus: Your data really stays at home.
Alternative: Use a shared host in a data centre instead of a NUC at home.
The costs are lower than owning a mobile phone that breaks at least once a year
No excuses!
/update/
@kris
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@Mike Macgirvin
We aren't worried about site admins shutting down the site we're using.
If you considere that you are not admin and just a simple user. You still worry about shutting downs etc... Lastauth.com does not exist. Of course I expect the clone reply. I know some users who didn't have clone. And now they stay in Diaspora. That problem of finding a hub still exists. Except for people who are familiar with servers and know how to install it. For other people you are using the server of someone else and you must trust the admin.
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While the people Andrew talks about sometimes seem to be from another planet, none techies on this one used Hubzilla or Red or RedMatrix as a replacement for Instagram and Twitter feeds at an event with 300 people back in 2014 with NO training.
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For a guy who typically shuns the casting of Hubzilla in terms of a product to be sold, you sure can come up with some slick sales pitches, Mike.
We always enjoy your articles, @Sean Tilley . You might consider the fictional use case approach as a way to make the article more engaging and even easier to write. As we all admit, Hubzilla is software used primarily by tech savvy types, and while it gets more user-friendly every update, it is not something you can throw at the average person and expect them to succeed with it. As a result you may want to choose a technical scenario, such as a group of friends trying to start a software project or an advocacy group that is trying to organize activities. Along the way in this "story" it would be helpful to demonstrate what makes Hubzilla actually unique in the broader sense by showing two independent groups sharing information with privacy between their independent hubs; perhaps the software team wants to share some code privately with a security reviewer before release to the public. Maybe the advocacy group wants to share something privately with a journalist, or they want to raise funds by offering a paid subscription to some kind of newsletter which requires authentication for supporters. Kinda makes me want to write an article like that
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One thing I've noticed with a series of recent newcomers, is that the first thing they expect is for Hubzilla to be some kind of Mastodon clone or even a Diaspora clone and are disappointed that it is not. I think one needs to set the scene before diving in.
Many of us have been living in a post-Facebook and post-Twitter world since 2010. We've built the tools we need to survive and thrive in this new world. Many of these tools don't look familiar or even useful to newcomers, and some may look bloody complicated. In this new world, we've been sharing videos and wedding photos/baby photos/ whatever privately with our friends and family for years. We're building wikis and blogs and personal "clouds" that all inter-operate and have social networking built-in. We don't even think of it as a social network any more, but more that in 2017 communicating with people across the planet is just part of what we do - it's part of our daily workflow. We aren't worried about site admins shutting down the site we're using. Our personal spaces are completely mirrored elsewhere or can be moved at the drop of a hat. We've got links to WordPress, Diaspora and Mastodon, we can import Outlook calendars from work, and drag and drop files from desktop or phone - and share all these things *privately* with friends, family, and/or co-workers if we choose. At first this world will seem alien and you'll probably think we're from another planet, but once you get past the initial culture shock - it kind of grows on you.
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a hubzilla without hubzilla framework.
i.e. a CMS that is hubzilla-enabled (wordpress with hubzilla plugin?) without owners realizing it or knowing about it.
users from the fediverse can just automagically comment on your site. other widgets are imaginable too.
i believe the blogosphere died only because of the lack of seamless social interaction, which only centralized services like myspace and facebook offered.
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@Mike Macgirvin @Andrew Manning
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I've been using Hubzilla for years now, and have long remained a fan of both the project as well as its surrounding community. I want to do an Ars-style deep dive into Hubzilla's inner workings and what end users can do with it.
With that in mind, what kind of things should I focus on?
Some of the areas I'd like to talk about are:
- Signing up and configuration
- Using the directory to connect to people
- Channels, posts, formatting content
- Privacy Filters
- OpenWebAuth
- Calendar / Events
- Web Pages
- Cloud / File Sharing
- Theme Development
- Add-ons
- Cross-platform federation
If anyone has suggestions for other things I should try covering, let me know!
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I think it might have had something to do with being logged in. Anyway, I'm happy that things are up and running again.
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I don't have any good ideas. Maybe an oembed got stuck.
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This seems to have resolved itself in an update. :)
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Do you see a reference to /load?f=p= etc. in the network console?
Sean Tilley
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