Notices by neil 🍄 (neil@social.coop), page 61

@mike_hales No I haven't listened to that one yet, downloaded and queued now, thanks!

@mike_hales Thank you for sharing. I can only imagine the huge shock it must have been at the time, and how that permeated out into culture.

Coming across plenty of good tracks on resonate. Shame you can't create playlists (yet?). Would be a good way of getting the word out about the artists and the platform.

I like communities but I don’t particularly like platforms, as the medium too often dictates the message and the way of being. To edit a thought because it doesn’t fit into a database, and to lose a friend, in a cyber space with no geography, because they moved to another neighbourhood, well that’s a strange thing.

I just wanna exchange information, man. I don’t want an account.

I’m looking forward to the (re?)development of a universal but distributed set of systems and protocols that lets me find and communicate with peers and friends, without me needing to ‘be’ on any particular platform or to invest into any particular medium.

@kdsch Yes - that feels intuitively right to me. Coexistence, not extension or removal.

@caribou Agreed, the images and also metaphors she uses are very helpful.

@Matt_Noyes Also liked her pointing out that it is a strange but persistent thing that the market has been abstracted out of the natural environment. That the inputs of energy and the outputs of waste have been ignored. She re-embeds the economy into the wider system of the planet.

@Matt_Noyes I liked her discussion of the importance of, and complete neglect of in classical economics, the household. She says something like, how do we think all the players in the market get out of bed in the morning, get their breakfast, etc? There is a huge role that the household plays in society that is completely outside of market transactions.

@wolftune Exercise, insofar as it maintains health, could certainly be seen as a pro-social act in states with social health care. Complete self-neglect leading to avoidable use of social care could be seen as an irresponsible use of shared resources. I think there's a line though where exercise is less health and more vanity.

I also find that physical health is a key contributor to my mental health, and therefore very important to me.

@wolftune Exercise as a pro-social act is very true in states with social health care. Complete self-neglect could be seen as an irresponsible use of shared resources.

I also find that physical health is a key contributor to my mental health, and therefore very important to me.

Watching Century of the Self, first time I have heard of the Kent State shootings. Astonishing - the US state firing on an unarmed student protest. According to the documentary, it had a suffocating effect on the protest movement.

Edward Bernays, United Fruit and the CIA in Guatamala - using propaganda to fuel a coup of a democratic socialist leader on behalf of a corporation. Pretty warped stuff.

Mark Greif's Against Exercise is a hoot. "The haste to live one’s mortal life diminishes. The temptation toward perpetual preservation grows. We preserve the living corpse in an optimal state, not so we may do something with it, but for its own good feelings of eternal fitness, confidence, and safety. We hoard our capital to earn interest, and subsist each day on crusts of bread. But no one will inherit our good health after we’ve gone. The hours of life maintenance vanish with the person."

Mark Greif's Against Exercise is a hoot. "The haste to live one’s mortal life diminishes. The temptation toward perpetual preservation grows. We preserve the living corpse in an optimal state, not so we may do something with it, but for its own good feelings of eternal fitness, confidence, and safety. We hoard our capital to…

@kdsch Possibly, although I don't know enough to know if the 'beyond' in Ostrom's 'beyond markets and states' was intended to mean 'extension of' or 'removal of'. So whether polycentrism is many types of institution, or many commons, at different scales.

Raworth is definitely aware of and (I think) inspired by Ostrom though, for example in disregard for the notion of rational economic actors, and a preference to look at people and the economy as complex systems.

I'm enjoying Doughnut Economics so far. Kate Raworth suggests the new economy needs to be a mix of the market, the household, the state, and the commons. Rather than the current paradigm that suggests the market can handle everything.

STEAL THIS SHOW: Solarpunk Social, with Scuttlebutt https://stealthisshow.com/s04e04/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss Interesting discussion of scuttlebutt, decentralized social networks, and solarpunk. Some of my favourite things in one show!