Notices by Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org), page 67

Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 15:14:19 EDT Tobias Dausend

An wirklich JEDEN, der in #Chemnitz gerade anwesend ist und ein Zeichen gegen #Hass setzt. Bitte passt auf euch auf, achtet aufeinander. Das sind keine schönen Bilder, die derzeit so durch das Netz gehen. #Nationalismus-stinkt #Braune-Verklärung

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 15:10:41 EDT Tobias Dausend
- Paul
@furiousfr0st Ich finde es gut, wenn man offen redet und klar auch aufzeigt was von was kommen kann - individuelle Erfahrungen austauschen. Allerdings verfällt unser Wertemodell zusehends und damit meine ich das allgemein geltende Modell von "Menschlichkeit", "Empathie" und "Migefühl". Ich hoffe nur, dass wir beispielsweise uns eine Netiquette geben können und auch klar Regeln durchsetzen. Was nicht toleriert wird ist das Eine, aber etwas Anderes wenn es dann zum Diskurs kommt.

Schamgefühl möchte ich Niemandem vermitteln. Ich möchte einfach, dass wir STOPP sagen können bevor sprichwörtlich Menschen leiden und am Fahnenmast hochgezogen werden. Einen Lynchmob stoppt Niemand mehr und auf seinem Weg wird dieser Alles zerstören, selbst das was helfen könnte. Symbolisch gemeint, denn tatsächlich leiden ja schon sehr viele Menschen! :(

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:59:30 EDT Tobias Dausend
- Paul
@furiousfr0st Oha, hast du Vorerfahrungen? Oder geht es um den generellen Tatbestand? Bei mir regen sich da immer wieder Erinnerungen an einen ganz speziellen Typus, welchen ich auch schon einige Male LIVE und in FARBE erleben durfte. Hier in der Textkonversation klingt das dann immer so "brav". Aber dann in der Realität ist das schon ein ganz anderes Kaliber, gleichgültig ob nun "Schreibtischtäter", "Brandredner" oder "Hooligan auf der Straße".

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:57:23 EDT Tobias Dausend
- Poebelkaiser
@nipos Sehe ich auch so. Allerdings macht mir diese "liberale Haltung" auch etwas Sorge. So etwas wie einen "gediegenen Kapitalismus" gibt es einfach nicht - vorzugsweise nur im Lehrbuch. Die Realität bedeutet immer Ausbeutung und Wettbewerb auf übelster Ebene. Aber hier kann man nun auch deutlich sehen wie anpassungsfähig die Argumentation sein kann seitens AfD. Jetzt bleibt wohl das Ganze für den Moment auf seinem Blog bestehen - also der Link zu Mastodon. *seufz* Und damit lockt man dann auch gleich weitere Apologeten hierher? Ich hoffe einfach, dass die Plattformen nicht genug "Publikum" dafür anbieten.

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:50:25 EDT Tobias Dausend
- Poebelkaiser
Hey @nipos: Ich ziehe einmal ein Resümee. Hast du den Eindruck, dass deine Anfrage hinsichtlich Herrn Nitsch nun auf fruchtbaren Boden gefallen ist? Im Moment scheint sich das Ganze verlagert zu haben. Vor allem hat sich der Herr Nitsch ganz besonders auf den Administrator der Instanz fokussiert gehabt. Jetzt sind da viele Worte geschrieben worden und wir sind nun bei einem "leicht begründeten Kapitalismus" während in Chemnitz die Faschisten laufen.

Nebenbei in globale Runde gefragt: Möchte noch Jemand gerade die Wand einschlagen? Ich hätte da gerade das Bedürfnis dazu.

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:44:11 EDT Tobias Dausend
@freemo I'd like to encourage the people discussing and talking about the wish for better picture of society in common. It's a real big task at all, but when everyone is sharing just one thought we could get forward. But as I've said: That's another talking-round as for what I have seen so far there is no such thing like "reasonable" capitalism. In the end we humans are our own problem and the solution at the same time. If we are willing to stop our own greed for power and influence, recognize that there are also others ... it could be a mile or two on this long road. But until now I see the negative part of it. Doesn't mean that I could see everything happening in the future, but if we are not willing to learn from our past then we are doomed to repeat it. And in the past we had enough discrimination being made rational for whatever reason. @nipos @rnitsch

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:37:50 EDT Tobias Dausend
- Homer S.
- Korallenherz
@homer77 @korallenherz Inzwischen wird das zur Gewohnheit: Tische schnippen reicht schon nicht mehr. :-( Und die Wortbeschreibung "Bis Einer weint" kommt mir hier nur noch gruselig. Ich hoffe nicht, dass es so übel endet wie ich es mir gerade ausmale und schlimmstmögliche Zustände im Kopf habe!

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:32:26 EDT Tobias Dausend
@freemo Meaning more "identical" than "bad". :) The problem is: The scheme has proven very weak until now because our society in general is not willing to discuss privileges. But that's one major issue for making a difference in the future. Sharing privileges is one possibility. And ignoring it won't help because this could lead to just another exaggeration. But that's also part of another discussion! Our whole system is in fact causing irreparable - meaning capitalism. On this base we increment even more differences, just to have our privileges while others are kept outside. @nipos @rnitsch

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:24:54 EDT Tobias Dausend
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@nipos @freemo Arghs, sentence "are in fact bad" was meant "are in fact identical". Sorry! :)

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:23:30 EDT Tobias Dausend
@freemo Hmm, there are bunch of problems with "extremistic" theory. In fact when talking about right- or / and left-extremism it's all about ignoring generally the extremism coming up directly from the middle of the society. No that's not meant as verbal attack against you. But we should be ready to talk about "violence" and how get used to it defending our freedom. Of course I don't want to use it, but there are different ways and even the discrimination coming up from a mindless joke is in some point violence. Therefore we need to talk about it and also about the "horseshoe theory" comparing left and right of the political views, saying that both are in fact bad.

I think we could get a good understatement when looking here around in Europe. There are enough warnings about the radical right-wing. @nipos @rnitsch

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 14:01:57 EDT Tobias Dausend
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@nipos @freemo @rnitsch There are enough right-wing fascists here in Europe looking to get power. There are different parts within: First to name are those hooligans on the streets hunting down everyone not fitting in their picture. But furthermore there are more agitators and demagogues suggesting this "hunt" is rational and needed. So people standing directly near when others are discriminated, doing nothing and looking away. All the mechanics are used right now we are talking. Just to look at Chemnitz here in Germany.

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 13:40:45 EDT Tobias Dausend
@rnitsch @nipos @freemo But it just give up another signal to people following you, reading your comments. That's the point: That's the ghost right out of the bottle because you have also some influence on the reasoning of others with your comments. Being reasonable and rational, but also not to generalize for people just tend to pull out fire and fork. Had this back the days and will rise up again, if not stopped at all. Thjat's not the problem about some "leftists" or "migrants". That's in fact common sense!

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 13:33:42 EDT Tobias Dausend
@rnitsch @nipos @freemo In fact you are using again some thought of "leading culture". And you are talking about personal trauma, that's one thing. But the other is generalization in common. A simple way: All human beings are equal and have got equal rights. There can't be any selection who is "better" or who is "not better". Judging people having some kind of lower education goes exactly in this direction.

And when talking about that: We have also problems with social inequality long before here in Germany. So there is no reason using the people coming here being the major "problem". We need a good concept for integration and therefore also for interest for each other. Not giving somebody a kind of hat to set in the head and furthermore everything else is left behind.

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 13:27:04 EDT Tobias Dausend
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- Korallenherz
@korallenherz Einfach nur ekelhaft was dort zugelassen wird. :(

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Korallenherz (korallenherz@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 13:09:02 EDT Korallenherz

Livestream (Nazidemo) von vor Ort mit begleitendem Kommentar. Sehenswert. #chemnitz
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1rmGPNmbRRjxN
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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 12:58:29 EDT Tobias Dausend
- 🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
- Robert Nitsch
@rnitsch @freemo said this but just using this wording: "After fire speeches come brand sets!" You may use those claims / ideas as some sort of hypothesis, but we humans don't act like that in general with rationalized words and think about it the long way. What about the people hunting after some picture just being within their mindset? Judging about a complete group is a wrong and failed concept. Failed from within, because we have to learn from our global history. It's just to see everywhere again: Repeating it is a complete inhuman failure. In the end the one group stands up with fire and fork, to unite against another. That's the point we should prevent and therefore we are talking here.

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 12:48:19 EDT Tobias Dausend
- Paul
@furiousfr0st Danke dir! :)

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 12:23:03 EDT Tobias Dausend
@rnitsch @nipos @freemo And in the end you are generalizing as a matter of fact here. You think some studies are enough to judge about people? Perhaps you should go one step backwards - at minimum: Talk to the people and learn from them, their backgrounds. Show them your way, they could show you their way.

A normal way of socializing and not stating that some studies give approval about judging a complete culture / society.

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 12:19:37 EDT Tobias Dausend
@rnitsch @nipos @freemo One step backwards please: First "whataboutism" is some very ugly wording and insinuation at the same time, proclaiming that the counterpart has some agenda. It's more about to question your motivation here: You did not give something more than numbers and victims. With what goal exactly? You are fighting for who? The Germans? They need no fighting or any cultural clash.

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Tobias Dausend (throgh@gnusocial.federated-networks.org)'s status on Monday, 27-Aug-2018 12:16:22 EDT Tobias Dausend
- B.ella
@inaktion Wird gerade gemacht! :) Danke.

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