Notices by kline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (kline@cmpwn.com)

Statements from #gcc tonight:
* I'm calling UB
* I wonder if it's failing deterministically inside and outside of gdb.
* I found a bug
* gdb is infact, insane
* openssl doing stupid things!? who could have known
* ..what the hell is up with this disassembly
* gcc has gone absolutely insane?
* who do we forward this hot mess to?

yes, it's another weird maybe compiler bug!

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@kaniini @IRC @proxeus @lumi @xj9 let's be real. I've seen admins defederate whole instances for not defederating other instances.

@proxeus @lumi Oh, federation was sold as a massive cultural golden bullet for a huge number of things that twitter was doing really badly at.

The fact that a lot of those issues still exist on the fediverse, and are now complicated and amplified by the nature of federation means that in my eyes, federation has "failed".

One portion of the fediverse came here to get away from "nazis". Another portion game here to get away from "librul snowflakes". Guess what? Federation didn't provide the nazi/snowflake free outlook on life they were promised. Instead, it added yet another layer of meta, debate, and dumb drama.

As far as I can see, basically no one who came to escape the tyranny of centralised management not creating the atmosphere they wanted has seen federation solve those issues.

@lumi Honestly the worst thing about Matrix is that I really love the concept but the implementation (as in both defining the standard and the implementation of software) is massively botched and chases money, not principles.

@lumi @proxeus Not worked, but still works: people just now federate according to a whitelist rather than blacklist, and typically all servers that federate are managed by a group of closely cooperating operators (EFnet), or centrally by a single team (freenode).

@lumi @proxeus IRC literally does federate. IRC used to be a global network just like the fediverse.

Just like the fediverse, a particularly divisive server came along and tried to federate, but many server operators worked to fork the network, rejecting any peer that allowed Eris to link. This formed the Eris-Free Network (EFnet, an extant network to this day) and the end of federation in practice on IRC, though it still persists on a smaller scale among some networks.

The same is happening right now to the fediverse and no one claims it's not federated. Come back in 10 years and we'll see where fedi is at, sadly.

Federation is not the golden bullet many think it is.

Post related to a thread but I can't really slip it in anywhere: IRC is dead. It's a great protocol but the development community has rested on it's laurels in staying up to date with a changing userbase and baseline expectations in usability.

There's nothing fundamentally unfixable, but it's too late. Slack and Discord have eaten the markets IRC should compete with it in. Matrix is cannibalising the currently active IRC userbase and I don't see them coming back.

IRC is on the back foot, and IRCCloud aside, no one is pulling in the right direction to improve it. And even IRCCloud is caveated as a closed source, for-profit venture.

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