Notices tagged with ssb
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#Manyverse ( #SSB client, for those who are familiar with #Secure_ScuttleButt ) is in its 3rd or 4th week of being unable to connect to a pub server (and thus, being unable to communicate at all).
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#Manyverse ( mobile #SSB client ) is having another one of its “can’t connect to a pub server, so you’re basically operating standalone” periods. It seems the last successful connection was two weeks ago.
I know one of Secure ScuttleButt’s features is not needing Internet at all, but if you’re not connecting via LAN occasionally, you need a way for #peer-to-peer software to bootstrap a pool of connections into the network overlay over the Internet. I think pubs (and the new implementation that is just getting started) are a sign that a P2P project is not designed for real life usage.
I realize that many “Butts”, including the developers, are leftish anarchists, so when things work, they are able to discuss the dream world they hope to implement. But the majority of people are not breathing such rarified air, and #Secure_ScuttleButt needs to just work for regular people also.
Probably needs some concepts from Jami … and to be implementable without using Node.js … which I’ve seen people saying is not currently possible.
An aside: I do wonder whether it depends on peculiarities of #JavaScript or of #Node.JS itself. If the first is true, one may be able to implement SSB with #Deno or #JSI / #JSISH.
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Opened the #Manyverse mobile #SSB client again today. I even replied to a couple of other posts.
There are some people there who seem to be doing some pretty cool things. But overall, I think they are working toward a future that I would not want to experience.
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Launched #Manyverse and it found a pub! Now connected to #SSB.
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And I can't figure out how to connect to a particular server. The #Patchwork #SSB client I'm using has a "+ Join Server" field, but it requires an invitation code. Which I can't generate unless I have a pub server. Which I can't join until I have an invitation code... Sigh.
#SSB: Concept: A+ ; Implementation: C+ ; Usability: F
You'd think a communications platform would make it easier to connect to people you want to communicate with...
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@bobjonkman “There is no one in your community with that name.”
I suspect that without pubs or direct LAN connections, it isn’t possible to use #SSB.
I’ll see if I can connect to the same pub server that @storm is using: scuttlebutt.us ... though I’m already supposedly connected to a few others already.
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@bobjonkman Yes, I haven't even gotten to building up much of a contact list, because even when it is working, discoverability is poor.
It is bedtime here in #SoCal, but I'll try to connect on #SSB / #Manyverse tomorrow.
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I was on #SSB Secure Scuttlebutt for a while (attended an #SSB seminar at last year's LibrePlanet conference), but the application was so resource intense that my laptop couldn't keep up. And, there wasn't the network effect I needed to make it useful. While there are probably interesting people to converse with, I have no idea how to find them.
I just logged back into #SSB, my userID is @BobJonkman (of course); my public key is @aFhD6GhqLVTFFjIGiuKidbaRiU6nC6JeLLvUROLMkL8=.ed25519
Try sending me a private message, maybe that's the way to follow each other.
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I think I’m going to go ahead and abandon #Manyverse / #SSB Secure Scuttlebutt.
Multiple month-long or longer outages of the pub servers that are necessary if you’re not in the same LAN with other users means that the network is unreliable. There is zero chance that anyone I know in person would return after such long outages, so it is not ready.
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Another long outage where the #SSB (Secure Scuttlebutt, not Single Sideband) “pub” servers are unconnectable. Currently at three weeks.
Now, I suppose, if there were other SSB / #Manyverse users on my local network, we could make use of it that way. But there aren’t, and the network is pretty useless without pubs.
Scuttlebutt is a distributed socnet, but for most users, it is dependent on pub servers to do the connecting.
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Looks like the Secure ScuttleButt #SSB pubs are again having issues. #Manyverse can’t complete a connection, so no incoming or outgoing messages.
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By the way, in my mind, #SSB stands for single sideband, a kind of radio modulation used by hams. If you’re the same, don’t let using the same hashtag for secure scuttlebutt throw you.
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Seems like a number of “butts” (users of Secure ScuttleButt [ #SSB ] and related implementations) are participating in Circles. They’re posting their circles.garden profile links for contacts to establish trust.
I think I’m going to stay far away from this.
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Good. I was seriously considering abandoning the #SSB (Secure ScuttleButt) network entirely.
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And #Manyverse ( #SSB client for #iOS and #Android ) is suddenly picking up incoming posts, at least on the iPad. I'll check the other tablet later.
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#Matrix sharing their view on decentralized reputation as a spam and abuse prevention tool https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix-without-backdoors
There was a similar document shared on Secure Scuttlebutt ( #SSB ) / #Manyverse a while ago. I believe I linked the document, so search my history if you wish to compare.
Frankly, I found the SSB document unworkable and error-prone, but this one sounds like it could work in some situations.
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In any case, the pub outage tells me that #SSB, in its current design, is unsuitable for connecting regular people together.
Maybe I'll look at #Jami again to see whether it's made progress toward fixing its issues.
Or #Tox, or #Briar.
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So #Manyverse is a client for #SSB, the Secure Scuttlebutt protocol ( see https://scuttlebot.io/more/protocols/secure-scuttlebutt.html ). Read the link to see more about the protocol.
At present, I think most implementations are based on Node.js.
An important thing in SSB is "Pubs". The link above says this:
> "Pubs" are bot-users that have public IPs. They follow users and rehost the messages to other peers, ensuring good uptime and no firewall blockage.
> Pubs have no special privileges, and are not trusted by users. However, because Scuttlebot has no DHT or NAT-traversal utilities, users must "join" a Pub to distribute their messages on the WAN.
Without a lot of active experience with SSB or its clients, it seems that pubs are a weak point and a centralizing influence. Sure, I could host a pub myself, but then I'd need to attract a good sized fraction of the overall SSB userbase, so that those connecting to my pub could find interesting users.
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I checked #Multiverse on #Android. Same issue. Cannot maintain a connection to a pub, so everything I can see is weeks old.
I'll wait another week or two before I completely abandon it.
I should write up my experience with the #SSB network. I'd heard so much about this wonder of #DCO (disconnected operation) and #P2P (peer-to-peer) that I think my expectations were too high.
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Hmm. Seems like #Manyverse on my iPad is having problems connecting to pubs. In particular “SSB PeerNet USW”. I should open it on the Android tablet and see whether that one is also having trouble connecting to the pubs it uses.
Manyverse is a mobile client for the Secure ScuttleButt ( #SSB ) protocol.
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