Notices tagged with ssb
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Launched #Manyverse and it found a pub! Now connected to #SSB.
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And I can't figure out how to connect to a particular server. The #Patchwork #SSB client I'm using has a "+ Join Server" field, but it requires an invitation code. Which I can't generate unless I have a pub server. Which I can't join until I have an invitation code... Sigh.
#SSB: Concept: A+ ; Implementation: C+ ; Usability: F
You'd think a communications platform would make it easier to connect to people you want to communicate with...
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@bobjonkman “There is no one in your community with that name.”
I suspect that without pubs or direct LAN connections, it isn’t possible to use #SSB.
I’ll see if I can connect to the same pub server that @storm is using: scuttlebutt.us ... though I’m already supposedly connected to a few others already.
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@bobjonkman Yes, I haven't even gotten to building up much of a contact list, because even when it is working, discoverability is poor.
It is bedtime here in #SoCal, but I'll try to connect on #SSB / #Manyverse tomorrow.
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I was on #SSB Secure Scuttlebutt for a while (attended an #SSB seminar at last year's LibrePlanet conference), but the application was so resource intense that my laptop couldn't keep up. And, there wasn't the network effect I needed to make it useful. While there are probably interesting people to converse with, I have no idea how to find them.
I just logged back into #SSB, my userID is @BobJonkman (of course); my public key is @aFhD6GhqLVTFFjIGiuKidbaRiU6nC6JeLLvUROLMkL8=.ed25519
Try sending me a private message, maybe that's the way to follow each other.
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I think I’m going to go ahead and abandon #Manyverse / #SSB Secure Scuttlebutt.
Multiple month-long or longer outages of the pub servers that are necessary if you’re not in the same LAN with other users means that the network is unreliable. There is zero chance that anyone I know in person would return after such long outages, so it is not ready.
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Another long outage where the #SSB (Secure Scuttlebutt, not Single Sideband) “pub” servers are unconnectable. Currently at three weeks.
Now, I suppose, if there were other SSB / #Manyverse users on my local network, we could make use of it that way. But there aren’t, and the network is pretty useless without pubs.
Scuttlebutt is a distributed socnet, but for most users, it is dependent on pub servers to do the connecting.
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Looks like the Secure ScuttleButt #SSB pubs are again having issues. #Manyverse can’t complete a connection, so no incoming or outgoing messages.
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By the way, in my mind, #SSB stands for single sideband, a kind of radio modulation used by hams. If you’re the same, don’t let using the same hashtag for secure scuttlebutt throw you.
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Seems like a number of “butts” (users of Secure ScuttleButt [ #SSB ] and related implementations) are participating in Circles. They’re posting their circles.garden profile links for contacts to establish trust.
I think I’m going to stay far away from this.
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Good. I was seriously considering abandoning the #SSB (Secure ScuttleButt) network entirely.
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And #Manyverse ( #SSB client for #iOS and #Android ) is suddenly picking up incoming posts, at least on the iPad. I'll check the other tablet later.
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#Matrix sharing their view on decentralized reputation as a spam and abuse prevention tool https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix-without-backdoors
There was a similar document shared on Secure Scuttlebutt ( #SSB ) / #Manyverse a while ago. I believe I linked the document, so search my history if you wish to compare.
Frankly, I found the SSB document unworkable and error-prone, but this one sounds like it could work in some situations.
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In any case, the pub outage tells me that #SSB, in its current design, is unsuitable for connecting regular people together.
Maybe I'll look at #Jami again to see whether it's made progress toward fixing its issues.
Or #Tox, or #Briar.
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So #Manyverse is a client for #SSB, the Secure Scuttlebutt protocol ( see https://scuttlebot.io/more/protocols/secure-scuttlebutt.html ). Read the link to see more about the protocol.
At present, I think most implementations are based on Node.js.
An important thing in SSB is "Pubs". The link above says this:
> "Pubs" are bot-users that have public IPs. They follow users and rehost the messages to other peers, ensuring good uptime and no firewall blockage.
> Pubs have no special privileges, and are not trusted by users. However, because Scuttlebot has no DHT or NAT-traversal utilities, users must "join" a Pub to distribute their messages on the WAN.
Without a lot of active experience with SSB or its clients, it seems that pubs are a weak point and a centralizing influence. Sure, I could host a pub myself, but then I'd need to attract a good sized fraction of the overall SSB userbase, so that those connecting to my pub could find interesting users.
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I checked #Multiverse on #Android. Same issue. Cannot maintain a connection to a pub, so everything I can see is weeks old.
I'll wait another week or two before I completely abandon it.
I should write up my experience with the #SSB network. I'd heard so much about this wonder of #DCO (disconnected operation) and #P2P (peer-to-peer) that I think my expectations were too high.
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Hmm. Seems like #Manyverse on my iPad is having problems connecting to pubs. In particular “SSB PeerNet USW”. I should open it on the Android tablet and see whether that one is also having trouble connecting to the pubs it uses.
Manyverse is a mobile client for the Secure ScuttleButt ( #SSB ) protocol.
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I was using the #Manyverse #SSB client this morning. Saw a 'new here' post. Decided to reply. Four app crashes later, I gave up.
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I'm not saying the app itself is bad. This particular tablet (Lenovo Tab 4) seems to be memory constrained. It is overdue for retirement.
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I'm not very conversational there. I pretty much just read others' posts. I rarely respond or post.
#SSB seems to be a "refrigerator magnet" type of place.
Let me explain that term. When #GD2 sends me some of her artwork, I stick one piece up on the fridge (using a magnet). That's "Look at what [my granddaughter] drew / colored / painted for me". So "refrigerator magnet" is hey, look at what I did.
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I've been using #Manyverse ( #SSB software client ) on #iOS and #Android a little over the past couple of months. The only way to 'meet' people and make contacts is to join a pub.
Copying a 'pub' invite and pasting it into the client is not easy. It took several tries on the Apple iPad, and was only possible by learning to trick the text selection function. On Android, there are some characters in the pub invite that can only be selected if you select all (grabs way more than what you want, leaving you to edit after pasting). I eventually resorted to copying the portion that selected easily, and manually entering the rest.
Each device / installation gets its own individual identity hash. In your profile, you can attach a friendly name, which is displayed to others instead of the full identity hash. Don't try restoring a hash from one device onto another, because the #Secure_Scuttlebutt network seems to deliver everything to the first device and leave the second one alone.
There seems to be a smallish set of users, many of whom are building SSB software, hosting pubs, and building similar #peer-to-peer ( #p2p ) networks.
I am nowhere near an expert with it, and I generally only open the client about once per week. It usually takes a while to update, so at first, the old posts from a week before are all you see.
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