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  1. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jul-2021 14:06:30 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    #Manyverse ( #SSB client, for those who are familiar with #Secure_ScuttleButt ) is in its 3rd or 4th week of being unable to connect to a pub server (and thus, being unable to communicate at all).
    In conversation about 10 months ago from nu.federati.net permalink
  2. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 18-Jul-2021 23:57:06 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    #Manyverse ( mobile #SSB client ) is having another one of its “can’t connect to a pub server, so you’re basically operating standalone” periods. It seems the last successful connection was two weeks ago.

    I know one of Secure ScuttleButt’s features is not needing Internet at all, but if you’re not connecting via LAN occasionally, you need a way for #peer-to-peer software to bootstrap a pool of connections into the network overlay over the Internet. I think pubs (and the new implementation that is just getting started) are a sign that a P2P project is not designed for real life usage.

    I realize that many “Butts”, including the developers, are leftish anarchists, so when things work, they are able to discuss the dream world they hope to implement. But the majority of people are not breathing such rarified air, and #Secure_ScuttleButt needs to just work for regular people also.

    Probably needs some concepts from Jami … and to be implementable without using Node.js … which I’ve seen people saying is not currently possible.

    An aside: I do wonder whether it depends on peculiarities of #JavaScript or of #Node.JS itself. If the first is true, one may be able to implement SSB with #Deno or #JSI / #JSISH.
    In conversation about 10 months ago from nu.federati.net permalink
  3. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Jul-2021 02:07:41 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    Opened the #Manyverse mobile #SSB client again today. I even replied to a couple of other posts.

    There are some people there who seem to be doing some pretty cool things. But overall, I think they are working toward a future that I would not want to experience.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from nu.federati.net permalink
  4. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 21-Mar-2021 01:21:19 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    Launched #Manyverse and it found a pub! Now connected to #SSB.
    In conversation about a year ago from nu.federati.net permalink
  5. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Saturday, 30-Jan-2021 16:31:06 EST Bob Jonkman Bob Jonkman
    in reply to
    • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    And I can't figure out how to connect to a particular server. The #Patchwork #SSB client I'm using has a "+ Join Server" field, but it requires an invitation code. Which I can't generate unless I have a pub server. Which I can't join until I have an invitation code... Sigh.

    #SSB: Concept: A+ ; Implementation: C+ ; Usability: F

    You'd think a communications platform would make it easier to connect to people you want to communicate with...
    In conversation Saturday, 30-Jan-2021 16:31:06 EST from web permalink
  6. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 29-Jan-2021 18:41:52 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    in reply to
    • Bob Jonkman
    • Storm Dragon
    @bobjonkman “There is no one in your community with that name.”

    I suspect that without pubs or direct LAN connections, it isn’t possible to use #SSB.

    I’ll see if I can connect to the same pub server that @storm is using: scuttlebutt.us ... though I’m already supposedly connected to a few others already.
    In conversation Friday, 29-Jan-2021 18:41:52 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  7. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 29-Jan-2021 01:28:27 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    in reply to
    • Bob Jonkman
    @bobjonkman Yes, I haven't even gotten to building up much of a contact list, because even when it is working, discoverability is poor.

    It is bedtime here in #SoCal, but I'll try to connect on #SSB / #Manyverse tomorrow.
    In conversation Friday, 29-Jan-2021 01:28:27 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  8. Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman@gs.jonkman.ca)'s status on Friday, 29-Jan-2021 01:15:41 EST Bob Jonkman Bob Jonkman
    in reply to
    • Bob Jonkman
    • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    I was on #SSB Secure Scuttlebutt for a while (attended an #SSB seminar at last year's LibrePlanet conference), but the application was so resource intense that my laptop couldn't keep up. And, there wasn't the network effect I needed to make it useful. While there are probably interesting people to converse with, I have no idea how to find them.

    I just logged back into #SSB, my userID is @BobJonkman (of course); my public key is @aFhD6GhqLVTFFjIGiuKidbaRiU6nC6JeLLvUROLMkL8=.ed25519

    Try sending me a private message, maybe that's the way to follow each other.
    In conversation Friday, 29-Jan-2021 01:15:41 EST from web permalink
  9. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 28-Jan-2021 13:11:27 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    I think I’m going to go ahead and abandon #Manyverse / #SSB Secure Scuttlebutt.

    Multiple month-long or longer outages of the pub servers that are necessary if you’re not in the same LAN with other users means that the network is unreliable. There is zero chance that anyone I know in person would return after such long outages, so it is not ready.
    In conversation Thursday, 28-Jan-2021 13:11:27 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  10. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 23-Jan-2021 16:08:10 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    Another long outage where the #SSB (Secure Scuttlebutt, not Single Sideband) “pub” servers are unconnectable. Currently at three weeks.

    Now, I suppose, if there were other SSB / #Manyverse users on my local network, we could make use of it that way. But there aren’t, and the network is pretty useless without pubs.

    Scuttlebutt is a distributed socnet, but for most users, it is dependent on pub servers to do the connecting.
    In conversation Saturday, 23-Jan-2021 16:08:10 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  11. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 12-Dec-2020 22:17:04 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    Looks like the Secure ScuttleButt #SSB pubs are again having issues. #Manyverse can’t complete a connection, so no incoming or outgoing messages.
    In conversation Saturday, 12-Dec-2020 22:17:04 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  12. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 29-Nov-2020 00:57:14 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    By the way, in my mind, #SSB stands for single sideband, a kind of radio modulation used by hams. If you’re the same, don’t let using the same hashtag for secure scuttlebutt throw you.
    In conversation Sunday, 29-Nov-2020 00:57:14 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  13. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 29-Nov-2020 00:49:46 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    in reply to
    • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    Seems like a number of “butts” (users of Secure ScuttleButt [ #SSB ] and related implementations) are participating in Circles. They’re posting their circles.garden profile links for contacts to establish trust.

    I think I’m going to stay far away from this.
    In conversation Sunday, 29-Nov-2020 00:49:46 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  14. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Thursday, 12-Nov-2020 01:01:27 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    in reply to
    • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    Good. I was seriously considering abandoning the #SSB (Secure ScuttleButt) network entirely.
    In conversation Thursday, 12-Nov-2020 01:01:27 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  15. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Nov-2020 14:34:35 EST LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    And #Manyverse ( #SSB client for #iOS and #Android ) is suddenly picking up incoming posts, at least on the iPad. I'll check the other tablet later.
    In conversation Wednesday, 11-Nov-2020 14:34:35 EST from nu.federati.net permalink
  16. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 26-Oct-2020 23:34:22 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    #Matrix sharing their view on decentralized reputation as a spam and abuse prevention tool https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix-without-backdoors

    There was a similar document shared on Secure Scuttlebutt ( #SSB ) / #Manyverse a while ago. I believe I linked the document, so search my history if you wish to compare.

    Frankly, I found the SSB document unworkable and error-prone, but this one sounds like it could work in some situations.
    In conversation Monday, 26-Oct-2020 23:34:22 EDT from nu.federati.net permalink

    Attachments

    1. Combating abuse in Matrix - without backdoors. | Matrix.org
      from Matrix.org
  17. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 19-Oct-2020 14:19:27 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    in reply to
    • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    In any case, the pub outage tells me that #SSB, in its current design, is unsuitable for connecting regular people together.

    Maybe I'll look at #Jami again to see whether it's made progress toward fixing its issues.

    Or #Tox, or #Briar.
    In conversation Monday, 19-Oct-2020 14:19:27 EDT from nu.federati.net permalink
  18. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 19-Oct-2020 01:31:00 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    in reply to
    • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    So #Manyverse is a client for #SSB, the Secure Scuttlebutt protocol ( see https://scuttlebot.io/more/protocols/secure-scuttlebutt.html ). Read the link to see more about the protocol.

    At present, I think most implementations are based on Node.js.

    An important thing in SSB is "Pubs". The link above says this:

    > "Pubs" are bot-users that have public IPs. They follow users and rehost the messages to other peers, ensuring good uptime and no firewall blockage.

    > Pubs have no special privileges, and are not trusted by users. However, because Scuttlebot has no DHT or NAT-traversal utilities, users must "join" a Pub to distribute their messages on the WAN.

    Without a lot of active experience with SSB or its clients, it seems that pubs are a weak point and a centralizing influence. Sure, I could host a pub myself, but then I'd need to attract a good sized fraction of the overall SSB userbase, so that those connecting to my pub could find interesting users.
    In conversation Monday, 19-Oct-2020 01:31:00 EDT from nu.federati.net permalink
  19. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 17-Oct-2020 12:35:47 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    I checked #Multiverse on #Android. Same issue. Cannot maintain a connection to a pub, so everything I can see is weeks old.

    I'll wait another week or two before I completely abandon it.

    I should write up my experience with the #SSB network. I'd heard so much about this wonder of #DCO (disconnected operation) and #P2P (peer-to-peer) that I think my expectations were too high.
    In conversation Saturday, 17-Oct-2020 12:35:47 EDT from nu.federati.net permalink
  20. LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 16-Oct-2020 20:28:18 EDT LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
    Hmm. Seems like #Manyverse on my iPad is having problems connecting to pubs. In particular “SSB PeerNet USW”. I should open it on the Android tablet and see whether that one is also having trouble connecting to the pubs it uses.

    Manyverse is a mobile client for the Secure ScuttleButt ( #SSB ) protocol.
    In conversation Friday, 16-Oct-2020 20:28:18 EDT from nu.federati.net permalink
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