Notices tagged with ux, page 6

@bleakgrey hmm. I'm not sure what that is, and it definitely doesn't sound like a smooth #UX for beginners ;) I'll put a note to that effect on the watchlist

@saturno @noorul if you like Mint, I suggest trying out #Trisquel 8 "Flidas". Unlike previous releases, Flidas uses the Mate desktop, so it's a very similar #UX to Mint with Mate. But Trisquel is one of a handful of distros confirmed by the #FSF to contain no proprietary software at all. I suggest testing it live off a disk or USB first, to see if all your hardware can run without any non-free firmware.

I was to be able to use separate comms tools for different use cases (personal, work, community etc). But I want all those comms tools integrated with one address book tool, that allows me to manage multiple identities, but gives me one contact database to regularly back up. I want that contact database stored in a common format, so I can back it up by copying a single file/ folder, or change address book tools without disruption #SmartDesktop #UX

I need to set up my GNU/Linux desktop so that every time I log in, it automatically connects my #VPN, and then logs me into my email and chat accounts, using a set of minimal background daemons. I want those daemons to notify me when I receive email, or delayed chat messages, or when a contact wants to initiate a realtime chat (text/ voice/ video), and ask me if I want to open the relevant GUI client #SmartDesktop #UX

@ink_slinger @danyspin97
> I just want to make it harder for cops and spies to read my stuff

... is a perfectly good threat model ;) That means you're looking for private, on point of principle, but nobody is going to jail if it isn't perfectly *secret*. That means you're free to test lots of stuff, and use the one with the best balance of privacy vs. convenient #UX. See how that's useful to be clear about?

@danyspin97 yeah, this is a tricky problem. AFAIK Ring just doesn't support asynchronous messaging, which I agree is not ideal #UX. This is why I posted earlier about the idea of XMPP clients implementing the Ring protocols for voice/ video calls. By the same token, Ring could implement XMPP (or even email protocols) for delayed delivery of text messages. But they could also experiment with a P2P text protocols like whatever #BitMessage uses?

@danyspin97 @TheOuterLinux There's also the question of #UX. When I used Matrix the UI was based around group chat, not the contact list UI people are familiar with from apps like Skype. I just got my family to install Wire apps, no hand-holding required. I wouldn't even try to get them to use Matrix, for the same reason I wouldn't try to get them to use Mumble. wire has client apps for all major platforms. Does Matrix have native clients?

@Wolf480pl nah I'm assured #UseNet is still a thing, but like IRC, it's just not what the cool kids use (for now). If someone made the effort to build new clients with a smooth-as-1000-year-old-whisky #UX, who knows what could happen?

@marxistpenguinist the only things that's going to change that is a new wave of internet tech that builds a new #UX on top of RSS/ Atom protocols ...

@maloki @y6nH @elomatreb this is the essence of good #UX design. The net is a giant room full of monkeys jumping on keyboards, but every now and then some combination of them turns out the works of Shakespeare (or Rumi). How do you make sure users get to see that good stuff, without wading through too many monkeys to get it?

@LWFlouisa cool. This is the start of a #UX design. What I do with #Disintermedia is put that up on a wiki page, and keep coming back to it to refine it. I look for existing tech that provide models or potential components, and link them. I look for people interested in collaborating on it. The key is to step outside the limits of what already exists, so tech adapts to users, rather than devs expecting users to adapt to tech dumped over the wall. Here's an example:
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/mediaflood

@LWFlouisa @wuhei @Goffi there's a whole field that needs to develop (and is developing) around designing #UX for free code software. What's been happening for a long time devs writing software and pushing at users. What some of us need to be doing is talking to communities that need software, and describing exactly what they ask for in terms devs can easily understand, quickly prototype, and get the community to test it and give feedback. #user-driven #agile development!

@Goffi @LWFlouisa @wuhei
> have been largely ignored

Another issue is #UX. I'm aware it takes a huge amount of effort to get back-ends working (especially when it involves federation) and keep them working as everything they depend on and interact with constantly changes. But the hard fact is that without a super-smooth #UX, you're never going to get beyond early adopters to mainstream use.

@Shamar
> #NoScript is not enough to prevent these attacks

Oh I agree. Just using it as a proof-of-concept for what you are proposing, and how it doesn't break the web for users. In fact, if it's built into the browser by default, the #UX could be much better.

@AmarOk @wuhei @mayel I understand why. There would have to be supernodes in the #P2P network that could hold the messages until delivery. It would improve the #UX if they could figure out how to add them. It helped me a lot on #Wire when I was lining up times to test voice calls.

Just tested a voice call on #GNU #Ring for the first time (my Ring ID is 'strypey'). Worked pretty well. Not quite as good as #Wire, mainly because with Ring there was 3 sec delay, and I couldn't get it to stop echoing my own voice back to me, even using headphones and an external mic. More tweaking required (at my end or theirs)? Quite impressive though considering no server is involved. Client #UX isn't quite a smooth as Wire yet, but it has a lot of potential.

@wuhei @mayel
> the riot.im client has a good UI for non techies.

Yeah, people say that. But I've used #Riot, and I don't agree. It's certainly more user-friendly than most (all?) IRC clients as a #Slack-a-like, but pitching it as a replacement for Skype / FB Messenger is like pitching Mumble for that purpose. Just no. #Matrix, like #XMPP, might be a great protocol, but consistently smooth #UX is not there yet.

@wuhei Wire used to be non-free but has progressively liberated all their code. I haven't tried self-hosting the server side of either so I can't comment on that. But voice calling on meet.jit.si has never worked for me on the ancient AA1. It worked OK on a newer laptop I had, but desktop Wire worked than that on the AA1. The only other voice chat app I ever got to work on the AA1 is Mumble, which works well, but the #UX is similar to IRC, so ...

@LWFlouisa I haven't even tried yet. It does seem to fit my use cases pretty well. But it depends on node.js, and uses npm for installation, and all the existing desktop apps are Electron. So it's a long way from being a smooth #UX for anyone but uber-geeks:
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/08/dweb-social-feeds-with-secure-scuttlebutt/