Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 124

@stevenroose see:
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/101277032526663139

@LWFlouisa ... which is exactly why Mastodon folks do the moderation stuff. I don't always agree with their opinions or methods, but I agree we don't want the fediverse turning into #Gab

@LWFlouisa I'd love to get Jonathan Pie publishing his videos on #PeerTube too ...

@LWFlouisa a lot turns on how the word "left" is defined in political discussion. There's (yet another) ideological war being fought over ownership of the left in the digital age, and especially over who gets to set the rules of acceptable discourse. Have you watched #JonathanPie on YT? Contrast his hot takes with #JohnOliver.

@LWFlouisa there's no hard political boundaries in the fediverse. Anyone can set up an instance of any of the apps, and they set their own rules on it. But the dev community around some of the older apps tends to has a centre of political gravity, so to speak. Mastodon leans to "safe space", Pleroma leans to "free speech", GNU social, like a lot of software freedom spaces, leans to socialist (in the broadest possible sense of that term).

@Blort all the folks doing blockchain startups need to read Shirky, and make sure they're not setting themselves up to be added to his list of micropayment based failures:
https://gitlab.com/fediverse/fediverse.gitlab.io/wikis/blockchain-social-apps

@pootz I used to be part of a collective running an #infoshop. We charged $3 an hour to use the net on our PCs, and locals could use it gratis use if they became volunteers and worked shifts on the desk. Once a week we used to have a pay-what-you-want-day. We'd point people at our usual rates as a guide to what they might want to pay. Some paid nothing, some paid what they'd normally pay, and others paid more. I'm always reminded of that experiment during these discussions.
@alcinnz @cookie

@pootz the target audience is people who *want, to put some money (it doesn't have to be a lot) into paying for #FreeCode dev, but need a more structured way to do it.
@alcinnz @cookie

@alcinnz I'll look into it. I really like what I've seen of #ElementaryOS. It has some of the best #UX in the desktop GNU/Linux world. Just a shame they don't have a #FreeCode only spin that could be endorsed by the #FSF :-(

@cookie many people pay for #Spotify and #Netflix even though they can get all the same stuff via BitTorrent. The thing is, as @alcinnz says, to engage with the social psychology and economics theory that explains why people will pay sometimes and not others. #ClayShirky mentions mental transaction costs as one reason people prefer Spotify to buying songs for $1 on iTunes.

@pootz clicks the button marked:
> End user here

Oops! :-P

@Blort exactly. I'm very aware that there are reasons why subscription steaming services have worked out better for the music and video entertainment industries than pay-per-download models. #ClayShirky summed them up nicely in his arguments for why #MicroPayments won't work:
http://www.shirky.com/writings/fame_vs_fortune.html

@WanderingTaoist no, no, I was agreeing with you about @GenX

@pootz it might help if you read my post more carefully, and perhaps the follow up ones too, and engaged with the proposal I'm actually making. Think of the strawmen :'(

@jcbrand
Right, but I guess I'm serving that every app could consist of a "server" back-end and a "client" UI, even if both are on the same system. Eg I can swap out the UI client of Mailpile by changing the default browser. Not quite the same thing, I know, but I'm throwing iron filings on the paper here, so we can try to see the fields of the magnet underneath ;-)
@wiktor @stevenroose

@jcbrand
I guess I'm trying to imagine ways we can fulfill the promises of open source development for both devs and users.
@wiktor @stevenroose

@jcbrand @wiktor for example a lot of unsustainable apps get created because a) someone wants to create a better UX but doesn't have the skills to write a good engine, or b) sometime writes a great engine, eg an XMPP implementation in a new language, but doesn't have the UI skills to create something most people can easily use. A modular approach means that many UX experiments can be tried, and engine Dev can be focused on a small number of high quality pieces.
@stevenroose

@jcbrand
> But what you're talking about takes it to a whole new level.

Sure, and I'm not demanding all #FreeCode developers change their design practices just to scratch my itch ;-) But I've thought for a long time that a lot of dev and end user frustration could be reduced by making it standard to separate "engine" from UI. For example I love that as an end user, I can plug a Pinafore UI into any instance of Mastodon without any special coding or sydadmin knowledge.
@wiktor @stevenroose

@WanderingTaoist way to miss the point, eh? #GetOffMyLawn @GenX

@bob fair call, but I don't think Ring is suitable for mobile either, at least not unless your device is on unmetered WiFi, and plugged into a power source.