@kaniini Going back even further I like "Norwegian Wood" by the Beatles. A lovely tune wherein a girl doesn't sleep with a guy on the first date and he burns her house down.
The only thing that has changed is that a new generation of web developers have grown up and started to systematically dismantle everything we did a generation ago to stop these bastards when they nearly killed the open web the first time. We had to sacrifice free/open/unmoderated public spaces because this is how they got in our faces to do their dirty deeds. Spammers, scammers, hate groups, malware providers, and a whole host of other self-interested parties drawn by the promise of infinite/global reach for their message; whatever it might be. We can't go back - the age of innocence is long gone.
Ironically the best anti-abuse tool we had was "buddylists" which later evolved into "social networks" and more recently de-evolved back to where we started. It's more convenient to pretend that everybody can get along in public.
Permissions. You don't let anybody on earth walk into your living room and start punching people. Yet your software allows anybody on earth to comment in your social stream where they can start figuratively punching you in front of their friends and yours. Sure you can block them, but often this is after you've already got a bloody nose. Close the front door and only let your friends inside your living room.
World domination isn't my goal. Been there, done that. I would rather use a spam resistant small network (and I do) than a huge network full of crap and abuse any day of the week. In fact that is precisely why I have a minimal (and "burnable") fediverse presence these days and keep it completely isolated from my real social network.
@Gargron Keep your money. We went that route with email and the best we ever came up with was heuristics (learning algorithms), but the spammers soon found ways around even that. The only way to stop spam is to not allow it in the first place. You achieve this by closing off any communications path that isn't controlled by whitelist or moderation. There is no other way. Maybe you can find one but I've been fighting these guys for 25 years now(*) including my work in this space for large commercial providers(**) and that's the conclusion I arrived at.
* Google "green card spam". ** Google "America Online". We blocked spammers. We applied learning algorithms using ~100 billion samples of known spam to seed the algorithms. We tracked them down and took them to court. We took their ISPs to court. And still they came.
"Inter-operable" is a tall order, especially considering that interop opens you to spam and strips away a lot of your privacy. Your media is all forced public. Your content is mangled beyond recognition by primitive text-only and length-restricted platforms. It also completely destroys any chance to use nomadic identity.
It's no longer a benefit to your users but a liability and a threat to your network security and data integrity. Your users can always just use the popular project and say goodbye to yours (until they get burned by dickpics and harrassment or site shutdowns and come running back). Life is a series of choices and sometimes people make bad decisions. I'm OK with that. But just because they do doesn't mean I have to.
You have the right to a permanent internet identity which is not associated with what server you are currently using and cannot be taken away from you by anybody, ever.
You have the right to refuse/reject or possibly moderate comments on your posts by anybody you don't know.
You also have the right to not allow them to comment on your posts in the first place, until such time as they have earned your trust.
You have the right to show your photos and videos to anybody you desire and also NOT show them to anybody you desire.
If your software does not implement these rights, you have the right to fix it or replace it.
Not necessary and horrendously expensive. All they need to do is send in a dozen toxic people and the fediverse will destroy itself from inside arguing about how to deal with them.
@kaniini I'll have to check shipping costs, but how many container loads would you be willing to accept?
Mike Macgirvin (macgirvin@pleroma.fr)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Aug-2018 22:20:01 EDT
Mike Macgirvin#osada is shaping up to be a pretty decent #activitypub client. We're still at least a week or two away from a public alpha but things are moving forward at a steady gallop. Groups, photos, videos, events, conversational (FB style) structure. Native WebDAV and federated single sign-on. A few other goodies are available from the "app store" (in our store everything is free). It also has a working permissions system and several privacy options because it's also a #zot6 client. I'm trying to make it compatible with the plethora of Twitter-style microblogs, but some of them have pretty brutal HTML filters. We'll see.