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Notices by Sorokin Alexei (xrevan86@loadaverage.org), page 54
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@rysiek If the alternatives to it that privacy-minded techies do use are Signal and Telegram (yes, there are those too), then I don't know. It only inclines me to be even more stubborn.
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@rysiek That's what I expect of one from fediverse by default :-).
Yet my pseudo-arguement that Signal will do for you because it hates diversity worked oddly well.
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@skoll3 Pidgin has support for OMEMO the same way as OTR: via a third-party plugin called lurch. Pidgin is barely an XMPP client so don't expect more.
And Xabber apparently doesn't implement OMEMO in fears of FSB %).
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@rysiek So you think vendor lock-in is not a bad thing?
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@rysiek What a proprietary approach -_-.
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@rysiek The XEPs that are expected from a modern XMPP client are pretty clear, so if you see a client that doesn't work it out then either it has slow development, dead or doesn't care.
It's like with email: there are lots of dead clients, and people don't expect them to comply with modern standards, they either move on or grow a beard %).
Otherwise I can only think of one solution to the "problem", the one Signal chose – forbid alternatives.
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@bob ejabberd pretty much does. And Prosody… not so much.
Is Prosody the evil in this equation :-)?
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@rysiek Nice to see dead-ish clients in the list. I guess there mere existence turns the answer to a literal never :-/.
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@rysiek Wire is more acceptable as it doesn't require a phone number, yes.
I personally think !xmpp does meet those requirements.
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@rysiek Let's not use Signal though. They require a phone number, actively discourage alternative clients and it is plainly centralised.
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> a universe where magic is real and can be exercised in many ways, and instead of a rivalry between "hard sciences" and "soft sciences", there's one between "hard magic" and "soft magic"?
@devurandom What if we already live in that universe and the laws of nature are our magic?
The problem is pretty much that "magic" is a very non-descriptive word, heck knows what you mean by that :-).
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@enkiv2 When one's whole essence can be dd'ed, mortality is no longer an issue.
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> Ernest Hemingway: "All you have to do is write one true sentence. Write the truest sentence you know"
@moonman "If a lot of people love each other, the world would be a better place to live."
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@schestowitz Sounds like a good thing, finally they are out of the way.
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@quad It's there by the name Fennec F-Droid.
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@maiyannah I use AndStatus 35.06 and it works out fine for me.
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@dawsports Let's hope that's enough :-).
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@dawsports Probably never. Their current business model works for them well.
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