@remotenemesis No they aren't around anymore. The company was acquired by Oracle. Servers, Java, Solaris, Mysql, Staroffice, Virtualbox and other things are now part of Oracle. The former Sun headquarters were sold to Facebook.
@remotenemesis Well, that's disappointing but at the same time I'm quite encouraged by the stand of the other 4000 who were offended enough to take a very public stand. That's a significant portion of Google's headcount estimated at 62,000.
@paco Federation would obviously be for the part of the code, projects that need to be discoverable, and therefore obviously public. You don't need discoverability of private repos, you can do that on your own self-hosted instance.
@bjoern That's a great thing, hope they follow through on that plan. Big if true, as they say π
The other problem I have with Gitlab is $1 million that Google Ventures gave them. Potentially a million problems, but they appear to be behaving well so far. As long as the software stays free and federated, we'll be buying time until other alternatives emerge.
@h It seems like Gitlab considers to enable federation between various Gitlab instances, but I don't know the current state. I could imagine that ActivityPub would be a great protocol to federate the issue and maybe even send fork, merge, etc requests. https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/4013
@paco I know, if you read what I was saying earlier, I said that self-hosted Gitlab instances are a good start, but they would need to be federated for them to act like a useful substitute of github.
Disclosure: I have some code residing in github, mainly for discoverability and interaction filing issues. The code I have there can't possibly be used for anything else than decentralisation.
With every new customer that helps github to grow bigger, github becomes more centralised, there can be no rational argument about this.
It's fine if they give you a service that you find valuable, and it's good that you run your own server. But you're in the tiny minority of people who use github this way. You are just one data point.
It's a fact that the original intent of using git in a distributed way was subverted. @clhendricksbc@Matt_Noyes
A big part of the reason so many people use github is because it makes projects and code discoverable, which is obviously great to have for many reasons, for whoever needs the code.
You don't get discoverability if Gitlab instances are self-hosted, decentralised, but "unfederated".
@Matt_Noyes@clhendricksbc Ideally, what would be interesting to see, in my opinion, would be more Gitlab instances plus some code that in theory could enable Gitlab work in a federated way, in ways similar to Mastodon. (yet inexistent at this time, as far as I know)
It could be something following the model that @Gargron designed, beginning with mastodon.social, and then encouraging horizontal growth of the network instead of the growth of one instance.
@clhendricksbc In the case of github, their VC-funded business model depends on centralisation. In the case of Gitlab at least the software is open or free and we can break with that centralisation.
The main problem with that is that Gitlab can be self-hosted (and therefore be used in a decentralised way), but Gitlab instances are not federated.
It's pretty amazing that at the exact same time that Google employees are leaving in droves because of Google's participation in the mass murder industry, cooperativists of a relatively prominent voice decide it's not too bad to be so willing to "partner" with Google.
Just fuck off, no excuses needed, just go and take the money.