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@rye Much of the damage has been how I responded which makes it harder. ;;
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@rye Well, I wish that I had handled it all better.
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@rye That will be a tough one!
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@detectivehyde @rye @helvegr Interesting. I'm not aware of that story.
It would be good to hear more about female figures in the lore though!
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@detectivehyde @rye Just beautiful. It's also nice to see how cunning women can be when it comes to escaping their captors. Just biding their time until they take that shot at freedom. Not that being captured is something I would wish on anyone. I enjoy seeing this clever trait in women and men in fiction. I recall a story where a woman was being held captive, and she would play with the local children while she plotted her way through the woods to safety, leaving a trail she would eventually follow. I don't think she took it this time tho! But that cunning is still great.
There was also a fictional story that I do recall better who it was, Richard in the Sword of Truth series. He was captured and taken to a palace, and he would do all sorts of things to gain the trust of the guards and teachers. He was able to explore the palace and play it off as if he were just picking flowers, and he would pay off the guards since he was given a ton of money. Instead of spending it on himself, he did that. He was gifted in other ways.
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@rye But I don't know if I did internalise that message!
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@rye It would be nice if I knew how.
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@detectivehyde @rye I really do like this take on women.
These days, I do find it hard to think of myself as desirable, sacred, worthy of risks and heroism. There is definitely a negative spin on being a damsel in distress nowadays.
Also, women can be the voice of reason and the heart of a family. The one that quietly observes and supports/helps those around her.
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@sim A fantastic question with an ultimately unknowable answer. We can piece a few things together, though.
Firstly there's the fact that literally every culture on earth that didn't grow up in the Gay Baby Desert seems to have taken an "equal worth, but different" approach to the sexes. Myth is the mirror of a culture, and from the (often exactly) equal sex balance in pretty much every polytheistic pantheon, we can see what the archetypal feminine roles of those cultures were and how highly they were prized.
Secondly, even post-Abrahamisation, annals and folklore often survive - albeit in a murky way, since sadly, writing isn't often in a good state in ancient societies. But even when we examine oral folklore, much of which is post Christian, from our own islands, much of it speaks to a healthier attitude towards femininity that was preserved in the true forge of ANY culture - the bottom of society.
A cursory examination of British myth and legend (some of which is "Christian" in that folk pagan Catholic way!) reveals:
* Femininity as guardianship of nature (mermaids of rivers, various fae) and kingmakers (the Lady of the Lake)
* Women as prophets and instruments of the divine (Julian of Norwich, Joan of Arc - she's in our folklore! That was our war!)
* Women as free spirits who cannot be chained (loads more fae, particularly in "the good wife of Orkney", which I taught to @rye )
* Women as bringers of blessing, often also as wives (fae are so versatile! Faerie children are often gifts from fae wives to human husbands, but the most famous blessing is probably the Faerie Flag of clan MacLeod)
* Women as Cunning Folk (to the point that modern people erroneously assume historical witchcraft to have been primarily the domain of women)
And yes, even the dreaded... *thunder clap*
* Women as damsels in distress! The HORROR! imagine being indisposed and having to rely on a fellow human being - how humiliating! But seriously, such figures (like Maid Marian) in English folklore serve the same purpose that Helen of Troy does in Greek - to show women as desirable, sacred, worthy of risks and heroism.
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@rye I appreciate the sentiment but unfortunately the damage has been done. I thought the problem was me.
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@detectivehyde How were things prior to it?
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@detectivehyde That would be a fair assumption for the types of people that I am thinking of with feminism. It's not wrong that Abrahamic morality is unfair... they just haven't really replaced it with something better as you say.
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For boys, much of it is physical. They'll kick your chair, flick pieces of paper at you out of boredom, sometimes they will threaten or talk shit. But most of the time they don't know how to get close like girls do. Only one of my "ex's" managed to damage me in this way.
But it is the girls that get close to the point you let your guard down. Only to get other girls involved while they turn against you, leaving you isolated and confused. They know the verbal game and how to keep it up. If you are being physically threatened, that is easy to spot as abusive. Verbal abuse is harder, and it is easier to blame yourself for it. To not see yourself as a victim or as being bullied.
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It's other girls that know how to hurt a girl most.
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Tbh, I'd like to see a positive take on women that isn't related to feminism. It's very easy to become disillusioned without something to balance it.
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https://youtu.be/EwbwcvoMm1c
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@augustus Pretty much. They would have trouble without it.
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@augustus Lel! The funny thing is, if the Irish didn't want to remain outside of the union then they would be in it. Pretty sure they were invited to become a union with the UK countless times but wanted independence... except when it comes to the EU! I mean, Northern Ireland is inside still.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYU2V6ie6So
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93D7jd-9SQc
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