Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 174

@h sorry, I don't mean to sound aggressive, I'm genuinely interested in what you want to accomplish with this discussion, to see if I can be more helpful

@h so ... why continue to nitpicking about my observation then? Bored?

@codesections @Alonealastalovedalongthe also
> you're always free to pick up and move to a different one.

... needs clarification that this requires starting from scratch with no followers. Proper server>server migration is an unsolved problem in #OStatus and #ActivityPub apps, and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future (unlike #Zot app like #Hubzilla that have #NomadicIdentity)

@h but I'm not talking about the publishing industry. I'm talking about journalists, media academics, and activists. It's just an observation of where their understanding it at, based on the non-scientific sample represented by that show. I can't help but think, based on your determination to argue about it, that you've taken it personally. Which suggests you also have some frustrations related to this. Why not share those here?

@codesections @Alonealastalovedalongthe it would be great if people writing intros like this could use "the fediverse" rather than reducing the whole network to one of its subnetworks (albeit the largest one at present). Imagine if people had gone around using "Mozilla" instead of "the web". It makes it simpler to explain, kind of, but it also fails to communicate one of the most important things about it, the lack of *any* centralization (even at the code dev level). It also misses PeerTube etc

@h I'm just theorizing based on the results in that radio show, not attacking anyone. BTW how did this become about "coders"? I chose the word "geeks" because I'm talking about everyone who cares about software freedom, not just the people writing the software. Out of all of us, coders have the best excuse for not spending a lot of time on outreach ;-)

@snowdrift @adfeno @wilbr @bob that's what I mean by traditional crowdfunding. That theory, that funded projects will pass on funds or maintenance work to the projects they depend on, doesn't seem to be borne out in practice, at least not so far. Some projects are looking to solve it more directly. Again, no slight intended against Snowdrop, I look forward to seeing it launch one day :-)

@pfefferle sounds great! Would be useful to clarify in your FAQ what features are working in the current version, for WP self hosters looking to experiment with fediverse integration.

@clacke Moxie's position appears to be 'the mobile OS wars are over and gOgle and the fruit won', so his approach is to make the best app under those circumstances. Even if he's right, and I'm not convinced, that still seems like a pretty reason not to cooperate with people doing the work to make sure a #FreeCode distro of #Android is at least *possible*.

@clacke it could be their builds if OWS set up a repo like the Guardian project did, but see Moxie's quote for why that's not something to hold your breath for. There was also some talk of reproducible builds making it possible to compare a version built by F-Droid with a version built by OWS and see if they were built from the same source.

To put this in context, one of the things that's put me off starting a podcast, especially a video one (other than having a face for radio ;-) is that it would be the product of a crank in his spare room, talking to himself :-P I believe I'd both produce better content, and find an audience for it more easily, if I did it in a way that involved other people (interviews, talkback, or a live audience).

@dredmorbius they get to public media later on. I thought the show was interesting not so much for what they can tell us that we don't already know (although there a few intriguing anecdotes in there), but more for what it tells us about how people in the media industry see their current situation and future prospects, in a developed, anglophone country that's not the US.

@dredmorbius I've been trying to contact them for months. It's not the holidays. Either the whole project has been left to run on auto-pilot, or they're just really bad at sharing relevant contact info for admins. Do you have any digital contact details for Trey Harris? Any ideas who I could reach out to at UNC?

@h a lot of the comments made on that show left me thinking that we free code geeks do a lot of preaching to the choir, and 'if we build it they will come', but maybe not as much targeted outreach beyond our own circles as we need to.

@h my comment was made in the context of the radio show in the OP, a significant proportion of which was spent bemoaning the monopoly power of FB, and the rest of the corporate tech oligopoly. We have a potential solution to that, and they could help boost its network effect. AFAICT that would be win-win.

@neil @fitheach it could be worse, I remember when a local store used to sell loo paper with George W. Bush's face on it. He was a shameless warmonger and a pathological liar, but he seems so calm and statesmanlike when contrasted with the orange clown doing the job now ...

The other thought is that a lot of people in the media world, including academics, have a reasonable understandings of the problems networked media can create, but a very limited awareness of the potential solutions offered by technologies like the #fediverse. Maybe free code geeks need to spend more time helping journalists, media academics, and activists educate themselves about this?

A couple of thoughts. The show was recorded live with an audience, and I've often thought about this as a way to distinguish between organized independent media, and podcasts by cranks and shills talking to themselves (and each other) in their spare rooms. As such, it might also help with the audience fragmentation problem that's come with replacing linear broadcasting with digital media platforms.

Just listened to a show about the future of news media, from public broadcaster #RadioNZ. A panel of journalists, media scholars and online ad experts discuss the changes in the media business in Aotearoa, and in public broadcasting, and especially the changes brought about by the net:
https://www.radionz.co.nz/stories/2018671558/how-the-nz-media-is-being-transformed-by-the-online-world-discussed-by-a-panel-of-experts