@nventous @are0h That is disturbing indeed. > most of those who voted for trump knew Exactly What He Was But this part I'm not sure about. Even if they knew, they might've not grok'd it.
What I'm trying to say, attack with all your might and fury values, stigmas, bigotry, points of view that drive the society away from progress / prosperity / harmony, but don't attack an undefined individual from the general public, or else he/she will feel threatened and hold on to his/her bigotry even stronger and thus the general public at large too.
@are0h The main theme of the video with subtitles is a bit different: the way YouTube operates in Russia, but it delivers on subtitling in English rhetoric of Vladimir Zhirinovsky too.
@are0h Just saying, a very big lot of people thinks he's more reasonable and sane than what he presents himself as. Wishful thinking and denial can do wonders…
@are0h A bigoted family member I luckily don't have, so here my experience really fails me %). But I know some politicians here in Russia who make Trump look credible. There's this guy called Vlamidir Zhirinovsky, who sometimes is compared to Donald Trump and… boy oh boy is that justified. That guy is incredibly bigoted, loud and violent too. This is of course not a rare thing, but… a lot of people think that him being a fool is an elaborate performance. And thing is, his political party got a third place in representation in the parliament, only by a margin losing to the second. That person suggested a nuclear strike on Western Europe (and the US too). He was of course joking, right?
@are0h Yeah. I was trying to point out the importance of conversation with people who do know in the process of forming a less-wrong opinion :-). Quotes from Donald Trump are a very special gem, unburdened neither by intellect, nor humbleness.
@are0h Well, I want to learn. My assumptions are of course subjective, I'm a stupid human, after all. How are we going to learn about other cultures if cut off from drawing conclusions about historical procceses there? I heard an opinion here, in Russia, from a teacher of economics at the university that Donald Trump is a talented businessman, which transferred to him being good at managing politics too. Should I take that opinion without looking into what he's actually doing in a country I've never been?
@are0h If I remember the news correctly, Hillary Clinton had won the popular vote and only the system in place turned the tables: electoral college, gerrymandering, disproportion of representation of smaller states to bigger states by population… The US is not that democratic, it has created a buffer between the people and the elected. And independence of press is very important to democracy as well. Basically, the fallacy here is Donald Trump being elected through democracy. And that the opposition to him from the second party-in-power was… that much better.
@are0h Most people, white people, voted for Putin regardless of how well their understood his political and economical programme. 95% of people are idiots after all, that's the Internet truth :-). I think stigmatising an arbitrarily large social group which isn't even based on choice is not a proper solution, even if they are objectively wrong. Especially because even those who do understand the problem will nonetheless feel threatened. I unfortunately do not understand fully what kind of problems exist in the mentality of people in the US, but I live with an assumption that all people are at their core good people with some exceptions :-). Even when deeply troubled. After all, mystical thinking is still very much a thing.
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