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  1. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 23:20:29 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • Marcin Cieślak

    @saper no problem. I love talking about art - really talking about it - not just "oooo and aahh, no judgement allowed".

    In conversation Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 23:20:29 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  2. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 02:39:12 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • Marcin Cieślak

    @saper One major aspect of Wiley's work, and almost certainly a major part of why President Obama chose him, was that he sets Black people as peers of White, in a very intentional and subversive way.

    I think it could be done in a more knowing and sophisticated way - Wiley came up with his trick for that long ago and certainly could redo it. But, in a very real sense, Obama choosing Wiley is makes a political point. "You were putting street people as models in portraits subverting European royalty; now you are putting a POTUS in that place... as himself - without subversion." In a sense, Obama subverts the entire subversive trope and, considering the body of work, it sort of rings tinny.

    But Obama is a sophisticated man. He know's what he's doing.

    And I'd love to see the work in person.

    I think Michelle's portrait is more powerful and thought provoking.

    In conversation Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 02:39:12 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  3. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 01:49:23 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)

    The Obamas unveiled their portraits today.

    It's an interesting artistic moment. I ruminated a bit on Twitter about this, so I thought I'd assemble it a bit for the Mastodon discussion before archiving it.

    Back when it was announced who the Obamas had selected for their portrait artists, I looked through the prior work of both, and I really didn't like Wiley's work. President Obama's portrait is fully in line with Wiley's body of work, and I don't really care for it.

    Why?

    First - Obama himself in the painting has a warm vigor and intensity to him that is pleasant.

    Compositionally, however...
    The backgrounds in Wiley paintings are almost always fighting the foreground visually, and it's a weaker artistic device than having the contents directly symbolize the narrative. And unfortunately, this painting hews tightly to form. The flowers relating to different parts of Obama's past are a great touch. But the leaves are just sort of awful and in the way, not managing the composition at all. At best, they might be a knock off from the Chicaco Cubs stadium and thus a homage to Obama's hometown. But still its visually fairly incoherent. Mind, some other Presidents have had some less than perfect backgrounds too: John Quincy Adams just rises from darkness and stares wearily out into space.

    Figuratively, absolutely lovely, with great tones. Wiley tends to render brown people with this golden red shade, almost glowing, and President Obama keeps that.

    Posing, the forward intense look is an interesting choice; much better than stuffed shirt 18thc & 19thc styles. And has the Obama suit with no tie. GW Bush went for that, but he just looked straight up relaxed. Obama's oriented towards the viewer, engaged, focused, intense. Glowing with focus. I like that.

    His hands are a hair too large, I think. I'm not sure if that's intended to symbolize generosity, power, or just a slap in the face to 45 (pick one or all, I'm good). Or if I'm mis-seeing it and it's correctly rendered. Another commentator suggested that Obama's face was distorted, likely due to overuse of photographs. Personally, that's irrelevant - that's a style question. But it's sort of a huh. I think it's :+1: though.

    Lincoln is and GW Bush are the only other two presidents that are fully seated with the chair brought into the viewer's eye. Kennedy's might have been, but I think his portrait went unfinished and all we have is a study. So that's an interesting choice.

    That the painting is large, larger than life is also a very nice subtle touch.

    Now, the truth is, I don't like Wiley's work. I think the backgrounds are *all* kind of awful, and Wiley can't seem to regularly break out of this cookie cutter genre of "brown people in front of decorative elements". A major of his schtick is to take Old Master poses, or settings, and redo them into a brown person in front of a decorative element. Sometimes it's just flat funny and awesome. But he's been doing this 20 years now. The body of work is just wearisome and same-feeling after you go through a few years of it.

    E.g., for a recent show:
    "Wiley begins by photographing his subjects in the mirrored pose of a specific historical painting. These are ordinary men wearing their own clothing and, as with previous works, each one is valorised with the same significance as their paired historical source."

    You might want to call this subversive or other similar words - but I judge it to be sort of lazy if that's all one does. And that's my broad judgement of Wiley's artist urge: it runs on a few narrow channels, and doesn't broaden out.

    I do want to distinctly point out that Wiley's work relies on a studio of helpers and that is totally within the grand traditions of painting. It's a little strange vs the Romantic notions of "lone artist in his studio flat" ala van Gogh, but it was *totally normal* for old-timey professional artists. It *is* a little strange to do a "show" under your own name, with a studio of helpers backing you, however. And, too, the lack of transparency into his studio is a tad worrisome. How much is actually Wiley vs Wiley sketching some things and handing to an assistant? At some point the touch of the master does matter. But it's not something that is relevant for the old fashioned Portrait Of Poobah.

    As a side note, Michelle Obama's picture is surreal and I want to unpack it a lot more. She's no longer a person of color, her *dress* has color, she herself is *grey*. And I guarantee you, there's intention there. Painters *think* about their choices for colors. And Sherald usually has more color in her subjects. Amusingly, Sherald put Mrs Obama's arms literally front and center (you remember the howls of complaint from conservatives about *her arms*, not being perfectly what they wanted, yes?).

    My general summary of President Obama's portrait is 7/10. The composition is problematic (but in standard Wiley ways); the rendering is excellent, the color work and "air' is enthralling, and I want to see it live.

    President Obama's portrait & a writeup here:
    https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/barack-obama-presidential-portrait-kehinde-wiley-unveiled

    Michelle Obama's artist here:
    http://www.amysherald.com/

    You can look at Wiley's body of work *here*: http://www.artnet.com/awc/kehinde-wiley.html

    And here:
    http://kehindewiley.com/works/trickster/

    and an interview/ridealong GQ did with him here:
    https://www.gq.com/story/kehinde-wiley

    and other Presidential portraits here:
    https://americaspresidents.si.edu/gallery

    (I want to throw *all* the shade at Clinton's portrait, because it looks like it just got run through Deepdream and the maker went home after that. Even Kennedy's half done sketch is better than that)

    In conversation Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 01:49:23 EST from imaginair.es permalink

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      America's Presidents: National Portrait Gallery | Gallery
      Smithsonian NPG exhibition: the nation's only complete collection of presidential portraits outside the White House.
  4. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 20:54:11 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    in reply to
    • lnxw48a1

    @lnxw48a1 Why? It's the House that has to impeach.... they want Trump.

    In conversation Monday, 29-Jan-2018 20:54:11 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  5. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2018 14:11:25 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)

    https://www.volkskrant.nl/media/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/

    Russians hacking the USA to support Trump: more information.

    In conversation Friday, 26-Jan-2018 14:11:25 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  6. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2018 13:44:23 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    in reply to
    • river

    @eribloodlust how to convince a car centric SOH town to get there tho'? 😟

    I keep thinking about it and not getting anywhere.

    In conversation Friday, 26-Jan-2018 13:44:23 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  7. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 02:07:20 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • brennen
    • mrgah 🌱

    @brennen @mrgah I see the Star Trek vision from the original series and TNG. I see that it clashes with the movie reboots. It's a song from a more idealistic time. :)

    I get what you mean.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 02:07:20 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  8. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:49:14 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • Dani K.

    @dani I can't imagine. I need to understand more about 60s and 70s feminism and SF, but it feels that she poses an equal rights society in LHD (this was more of a thing in the 60s,70s), but the progressive movement went towards a separate-but-equal approach in how distinctly recognized genders were.

    I handwave towards children's toys and clothes as signifiers of genders and how steeply they've diverged since 1975, the low point of difference in the US.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:49:14 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  9. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:45:42 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • Elly, nasty enby :heart_pan:

    @Elizafox I see anarchism and its friends over in Direct Democracy as deeply vulnerable to manipulation by the old standbys of bad logic and good rhetoric. Along with the standbys of "no police anymore, so my boys will be along in a while to club you into behaving", "Do what I tell you and we'll get powerful together, as regulations require enforcement"'. And modern propaganda & mass media amps all that up to 11. I estimate a serious direct democracy reform will be coopted halfway through and finished off by the oligarchs, who manage the votes and process (having the money to ensure their people can afford to go to the local soviets, er, direct democracy caucauses).

    So... yeah. I really, *really* resent and resist this idea that we just need to kill the state and get woke, because that has literally never happened at scale in human history before. What /has/ happened is wresting accountability into the populace's hands. That is historically feasible and is something that occurs, unevenly, in the present day. That can be improved.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:45:42 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  10. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:36:36 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • Elly, nasty enby :heart_pan:

    @Elizafox Statists unite together!

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:36:36 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  11. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:36:19 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • Dani K.

    @dani I straight up bought Left Hand of Darkness from Amazon (that product page was crashing though, hahaha). And read it.

    I'd never read it before. A fascinating book, particularly seeing it from 50 years later.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:36:19 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  12. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:22:58 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • mrgah 🌱

    @mrgah oh yeah, that really bothered me. It feels that there's no Navy officer on call to talk about how work really gets done on an extended-voyage vessel. (Discipline is a big part of it)

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:22:58 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  13. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:18:36 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • mrgah 🌱

    @mrgah Interesting. So when I have the yen for TV watching again, S3 episode 1 or so?

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:18:36 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  14. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:15:06 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • neville park

    @nev My skin is pretty thick and I flow smoothly with most nerd communities.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:15:06 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  15. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:12:39 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • mrgah 🌱

    @mrgah I started watching about a year ago, having never seen it. I got through, um, 6 episodes? By and large, I thought the characters were mostly atrociously written and the worldbuilding was absolute drek. And I've read a LOT of sci-fi. TNG's writers didn't really do a good job there.

    Picard is an absolute *gem* as a character and as acted. Riker - okay. Data - okay. The others..... ::yuge shrug:: (let's assume Wesley doesn't exist)

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 01:12:39 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  16. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:32:58 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • 🏵️ virtualice 🏵️

    @CobaltVelvet sorry.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:32:58 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  17. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:15:56 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)

    This spring and summer I am focusing on culture and soft leadership/servanthood at work. I'm on the Diversity Committee, and the "Culture"(events) group for the local office.

    I'm wondering what *small* things can be done to boost culture and events in ways that one or two ICs can do, minimal/small funding.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:15:56 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  18. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:08:38 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • neville park

    @nev

    Interesting juxtaposition there. I'll have to think about that next time a "less exclusionary" thread comes up on HN (as a rule, I avoid those threads, they are the worst of HN).

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:08:38 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  19. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:04:13 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)
    • Phildini -- Shopkeeper Aspect

    @phildini where do you work these days again? Lost track in my head.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:04:13 EST from imaginair.es permalink
  20. (⚗️ pnathan) (pnathan@imaginair.es)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:02:28 EST (⚗️ pnathan) (⚗️ pnathan)

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/eve-talk/YFguOGkNrBo/EozaCfheAQAJ

    Eve, the programming language, is dead.

    It was yet another attempt to make programming easy for the non-programmer. These attempts have been going on since, uh, COBOL. Literally.

    Like all the other attempts, it has largely failed - occasionally they fail in interesting ways that contribute going forward.

    I have a very unpopular thesis:

    Programming is hard. It requires expertise. Most people don't want to spend the time acquiring that expertise, and would prefer to focus their time on other things. Generously: their own areas of expertise. They don't want to build their car, their house, their boat, their chair. Nor their computer. That is for the experts.

    Focus in programming environments and areas should be to empower the expert and improve their life and work.

    In conversation Thursday, 25-Jan-2018 00:02:28 EST from imaginair.es permalink
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