Notices by Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@niu.moe), page 19

@elomatreb @grainloom
not the Third?

@Shamar @Ashrand the hackers.

@Shamar @Ashrand
Depends how you define the word "hostile". Maybe a better word would be sth like "threatened" or "defensive".
The point is, they may bark at you, but that's because you're trying to impose your will on them, and they have the very right to be angry about it.

@Shamar @Ashrand
also, in programming, a large part of value is subjective, too.
Eg. look at https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition
Some people may consider it a good, well designed piece of code.
Others think this one is better
https://gist.github.com/Wolf480pl/195db439a067d888fb6cf8c629016086
Someone else will say that both are awful, and the version in most programming tutorials is the best one.

@Shamar @Ashrand
Same with programming, you first need to learn to control the outcome the computer produces when it sees your code.

@Shamar @Ashrand
Also, I think that no matter what you do, whether it's art or craft, it's important that you have control on the outcome. If you intend to draw an unintelligible shape, and you draw an unintelligible shape, then you can call it art. But if you indend to draw a square, but instead you draw an unintelligible shape, because you can't control your hand... I wouldn't say it's art.

@quad
>breaking
better bump your major version number

@Ashrand @Shamar
But doesn't that mean singing also isn't art?

@questionblob @ColinTheMathmo @seanl
6. They were first.

@Ashrand @Shamar @red @h
Then there's a leap to coming up with your own programs that do what you want, or coming up with your own songs.
Then there's a lot of practice till you can reach the level that lets you deal with the complexity of some widely known songs/programs out there.
Am I wrong?

@Ashrand @Shamar @red @h
Ok, children make drawings which are art. And it's not about fame.
But the horrible sound that appears when I try to sing, not hearing myself properly, and having no idea what's out-of-tune and what's not, IMO is not art.
And a text file that doens't compile isn't a computer program.
Now, one can learn to write programs that compile, or to sing not out-of-tune.

@Ashrand @Shamar @red @h
>art is not exclusive
I doubt this.
I doubt that any random person who doesn't notice when they're singing out-of-tune can become a music star, especially without years of practice.

@sn0w you're doing it wrong. You need to take advantage of the fact that different languages treat different things as comments.

@red @Ashrand @Shamar
IMO if one of the goals of the project is teaching people to rely on OOM killer instaed of looking at RAM usage (which, for i3status, was apparently the case) then not accepting the feature was justified.
I don't agree with this project goal tho.

@kurisu @Sir_Boops maybe you need a convention then?
IMO this will be needed sooner or later anyway, the sooner you standardize it across build tools the better.

@kurisu @Sir_Boops and that lack of env var is... by design?

@kurisu @Sir_Boops
can't you... like... --with-libressl or something...