@izaro @victorhck @icaria36 @agosto182 así es. Puede que @aab que está con la versión de pruebas sí que le vea, pero justo ahora el que no le veo soy yo a él. Creo que en las últimas pruebas de la federación por #activitypub hemos perdido la federación por #ostatus :D
A mis contactos de mastodon.social : debido a la acción pro endogénica realizada por los desarrolladores de #mastodon que han dejado de soportar los protocolos #ostatus a medida que los nodos de mastodon se actualicen perderán federación con #gnusocial hasta que gnusocial adopte #activitypub juansantiago@gnusocial.cc será mi perfil principal en el #fediverso
So #Mastodon has announced they are in the process of removing #OStatus support their codebase. Hopefully this will light a fire under the collective arse of whoever is managing the #GNUsocial project, and the dozen or so #fediverse instances still running it, and get #ActivityPub support finished and merged.
NOTE: "direct messages" visibility was changed in #Friendica and #Hubzilla. Now when you send a "private" DM from Mastodon to these two networks, message's visibility in those networks will be limited (yay!)
Please, remember, that #OStatus networks - GNU Social, postActiv, as well as any malicious servers - will still show your DMs from Mastodon as public. 🔓
@gabriel el desarrillador dw Mastodon no quiere seguir manteniendo el código de #ostatus que es lo que permite que ambas redes se comuniquen. Por supuesto que ello le llevará un trabajo pero sabe que eso supone la desconexión y se olvida muy pronto que nadie somos nada sin quienes llegaron antes y nos marcaron el camino.
In the old days ... that is, in the year or two before and after #StatusNet ended and #GNU_Social began (and the bifurcation of one #OStatus network into two networks that couldn't talk to one another) a number of left-leaning projects joined the #Fediverse, seeing it as a way to help solve whatever issue they were working on.
Projects in Spain, in France, in South America. And of course, Sweden's EKK and their Qvitter project & Quitter instance. Of these, Qvitter/Quitter lasted longest.
What really surprised me is that few right-leaning and even fewer religious-based groups joined back then. Even then, having views that are not far-left was frowned on by the big #corpocentric sites. Believing that some deity exists and that your views and actions should be influenced by that is even more actively opposed by the big sites than rightist views.
But even then, the left wingers weren't harassing those who just wanted a space to hang out or the occasional right winger who stumbled into the network.
I really need to try to sort out my memories of the Fediverse since I joined Identica in 2009 and publish my own history article. So many of the ones I've seen leave out things I found important, or focus on political things that are only tangential to the overall story.
I think many of the mistakes that Evan initially made in 2006-2007 have been repeated by everyone in this space, which is why so many anti-federation proposals are strongly argued for by people who have not been here for a decade.
@lightweight@Greg yeah the lack of portability of accounts and data between instances seems like a real weakness of the #OStatus / #ActivityPub standards. It's why I keep circling back to #Zot as a more forward-looking approach, and wonder why almost nobody is trying to support it.
Congrats to the whole Friendica team for a huge release! Why? It brings Friendica over to the #ActivityPub world, bringing compatibility with tens of additional projects not reachable via #OStatus, #Diaspora or #DFRN protocols. 🎉
Hey fediverse admins, have you made sure your instance is being counted by https://the-federation.info/ ? I love being able to respond with that stats site URL when people say "nobody uses federated social networks" elsewhere on the web :) It now counts nodes running any one of 36 server apps, across 9 federation protocols, including #OStatus, and #ActivityPub, reporting about 2 1/2 million users.
@dragnucs What you said about #OStatus is not really true. #GNU_Social downloads more than just 1 or 2 posts when I subscribe to people, and #Mastodon also does and it did long before they added #ActivityPub.
As for "Private" posts, GS used to have a private post mode (using advisory privacy) ... but it was removed because people thought it was really private, but it was leaky at best. And yes, the private posts were federated across #OStatus.
When I hear about all the "new" halfway-working things in #ActivityPub, almost all of them were tried and discarded in #StatusNet / #GNU_Social before #Mastodon existed.
@valerauko part of this may be because we're still federating with some apps over #OStatus, because we're still waiting for their #ActivityPub implementations to be rolled out. All I'm saying is it's a really important part of providing a smooth #UX across a diversely federated network. @aral
@lj_writes I agree with Mike here, AP provides for many functions that aren't yet implemented across all the #fediverse apps, because they couldn't be federated under #OStatus (the older standard #Mastodon adopted from #StatusNet / #GNUsocial) or choices were made not to use them (eg groups in Mastodon). @mike can you recommend the DW crew a more general resource on implementing AP than the Mastodon one they are looking at?
@tuttle @clacke@social.heldscal.la @andyc @pla @silkevicious @dick_turpin @rpcutts it also made promises it could not keep. It wasn't as easy to self-host, so a lot of people gave up on that. It didn't talk to the #OStatus side, so the most successful and active self-hosters were not there. The private posts didn't conversationalize, so "make your post expressly public" became a thing. And the broken notifications were not fixed before microca.st's demise.
... needs clarification that this requires starting from scratch with no followers. Proper server>server migration is an unsolved problem in #OStatus and #ActivityPub apps, and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future (unlike #Zot app like #Hubzilla that have #NomadicIdentity)
The front page showcases federated apps that are mature, aimed at average users (no geek superpowers required to use), and federate robustly using either one of the widely used federation standards; #ActivityPub, #Diaspora, or #OStatus. New pages have been added to include a range of up and coming apps that don't (yet) tick all of those boxes.
... and you don't. That's the whole point of open, federated protocols like #OStatus and #ActivityPub (and even the Diaspora variant of OStatus). The apps that use these are not monocultures (in the #IndieWeb sense) and never have been. !groups exist in OStatus and in AP, but working implementations are still in progress.