@AmarOk do you know what's happening with the #Ring#PPA with the name change to #Jami? Do I need to change to a new PPA? If so, do I need to uninstall, and reinstall?
#GNU#Jami (formerly #Ring) update: a few days ago, I got the #program to work over a #LAN and today I now know it works over a #WAN (home to work) both for #messaging and #video#calls. Good job and thanks to the developers.
@kawaiipunk I've been thinking about these for years, like #Serval, #GNU#Jami (formerly #Ring), #Tox, and others. But I struggle to find people to test them with, and when a "secure" chat app only has clients for iOS and Android, I struggle to take them seriously. @bob@gentoorebel@noorul
@greenjon if you want a similar service to Signal that isn't US-based, is planning to implement server>server federation, and is more friendly to the software freedom movement, I suggest trying #Wire. #GNU#Jami (formerly #Ring) is also worth a try, but much less user-friendly (at least last time I tried it).
@switchingsocial I know you've addressed this in your FAQ but I really want to challenge not listing #Wire on your list of messenger apps. It's much easier for non-technical people to understand and use than #Jami / #Ring (I've got my family using Wire with me). Also, unlike Signal, Wire can be used without supplying a phone number, and they have plans to implement server>server federation: https://github.com/wireapp/wire/issues/160#issuecomment-446551908
@clacke I agree with everything @sir says about #Signal, having come to pretty much the same conclusions reading most of the same old discussion threads he did. The only thing that makes my brow wrinkle is not suggesting #GNU#Ring along with #Matrix, and suggesting #Tox. Doesn't it have some unresolved security concerns?https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/issues/121
@clacke I agree with everything @sir says about #Signal, having come to pretty much the same conclusions reading most of the same old discussion thread he did. The only thing that makes my brow wrinkle is not suggesting #GNU#Ring along with #Matrix, and suggesting #Tox. Doesn't it have some unresolved security concerns? https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/issues/121
SDF #voip has just added a block of 20 more DID numbers in (929)299-12xx available to any VoIP member for $21/quarter unlimited world wide terrestrial/cell calling (no satellite numbers due to the cost). #ring#call#chat
@geniusmusing #Wire is currently not #federated (though the client and possibly the server are now FOSS), but it offers an easy noob-friendly encrypted chat. Out of the ones I’ve tried, this is the one that I’ve been able to get some of my family members to use. (Some of them also used #Ring, but there were some problems with a version upgrade forcing people to re-request connection to their contacts, and none of my contacts made it past that.)
I figured out I'd accidentally followed the #Ring installation instructions for 18.04, not 16.04, so now Trisquel 8 is finding the files for install. But it seems to be having trouble actually getting them downloaded. Not sure if it's my network connection (location / speed), or the fact I'm browsing the #fediverse while trying to do the downloads.
@danyspin97@TheOuterLinux > In the end #Matrix still seems the most promising one to me, due to the presence of both a public community and a IM.
#Matrix is client/server, so quite a different beast from #Tox / #Ring, which are serverless. Matrix seems like a good candidate for replacing both #IRC and #Slack, given that it's federated by default (unlike IRC which needs a bunch of extra stuff to support federation), and it's an open protocol (unlike Slack which is a #DataFarm).
I've only used it once. The distro I have been using up until recently was too old to support it. Ring did a reasonable job of a one-to-one voice call (bit of echo at my end that I could work out how to fix), but it doesn't seem to support delivery of messages if the receiver was offline when it was sent. If you're keen to test, my Ring ID is 'strypey'
@danyspin97@TheOuterLinux As the TokTok devs make it clear, they know there are issues with the #Tox protocol, and have a plan to address them. They clearly state the limits of Tox on their TokTok website, and all the clients have "alpha software" disclaimers. Most of the projects the critics claim they should all work on instead of client/server, not #P2P. Tox, like #Ring or #Ricochet or #Briar, are attempting a totally different thing from #Signal / #Noise.