Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 106

@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts yeah, if I'd looked at your profile before commenting and seen "communist", that would have cleared things up pretty fast ;)
@hummingrain

@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts have you seen the 2000 documentary #LiveNudeGirlsUnite? It's about a group of US strippers and their attempts to unionize their workplace.
http://sfbgarchive.48hills.org/sfbgarchive/2013/08/27/live-nude-girls-say-goodnight/

@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts yeah @hummingrain pretty much nailed it. I was probing to figure out if you were critiquing #WageSlavery in general, or putting forward a #TechBro defence of the #GigEconomy.

@cwebber @emacsen So when middle class "cool" kids like #AnitaSarkeesian start making money off laying into a nerd subculture, the angry backlash is disappointing, but hardly surprising. Let me be very clear, #GamerGate was horrific. Anita made plenty of fair points, and I think it's great she was able to support her work via #crowdfunding. But while from her POV she was a marginalized person attacking privilege, from the gamer POV she was using "cool" privilege to attack a marginalized group.

@cwebber @emacsen I get that the commercialization of the web has changed that for people with desirable tech skills, but not for the rest of the nerd subcultures (gamers, genre fandoms, etc). Those are, for the most part, still ghettos. Still welcoming to anyone who groks the culture and wants to join in. Still the butt of "cool" culture jokes (the chubby comic book shop guy from #TheSimpsons is a classic example). Nerds are the only people it's still PC to pick on.

@cwebber @emacsen there was a high proportion of white males in the nerd social groups at my schools, but not because anyone was excluded. Any women or POC who wanted to hang out with us were as welcome as anyone else. Nerd culture was what we ended up gathering together to do because we were excluded from "cool" culture. In other words, nerd culture was a ghetto, not an ivory tower.

@cwebber @emacsen
Another great episode. I'm not neurotypical, and I was a classic "computer nerd" at school. I was into video games, programming (a bit of #BASIC and #Pascal), #SciFi and fantasy, D&D etc. I was a school librarian all through school, and at high school I was part of the nerd crew who hung out in and around the library. I mostly abandoned this around the time I left school, and only came back to hacker culture later via activism, and being involved in projects like #Indymedia.

@wiktor fair point. I guess the argument I'm making is that if we want to make it possible for Jo User to encrypt their email (for example), or use encrypted chat without trusting a third party like #OWS/ #Signal or #Wire, we need to create authentication / key management systems for that which are as easy to use as house keys or cars keys (or as close to that as possible).
@bob @nolan

@Los_Ingobernables_De_Jorts that's an interesting point. But there are plenty of ways to get robbed while getting paid. People get salaries that are inadequate to cover the amount of work required by their job description. Getting paid per task, a la #MechanicalTurk, doesn't seem any more empowering either. Contract work gives flexibility to workers, but even more to employers, and it's hard to get a mortgage when most or all of your work in short-term contracts.

Just finished listening to #LibreLounge 'Episode 3: Hacker Culture, Past, Belonging and Inclusion':
https://librelounge.org/episodes/episode-3-hacker-culture-past-belonging-and-inclusion.html

@wiktor one of the biggest advantages I see is that physical keys are a very familiar #UX. People know how to keep them safe, identify trusted people to leave spaces with, and so on, and are used to doing so. Even I find it so painfully complicated to manage #PGP keys that even if I knew anyone else who used PGP, I probably still would consider it safer to not use it and write emails as if they were all being read by the government, ETs, lizards, #MenInBlack with no eyebrows etc
@bob @nolan

@eldergoth
> How is creativity the opposite of efficiency?

Creativity takes up a lot of time, and only occasionally yields something useful. Efficiency is all about optimization, getting the maximum amount of tangible output produced in the minimum possible time. The example @Wolf480pl gave is a good illustration of what I said about how applied creativity can bring about greater efficiency.
https://niu.moe/@Wolf480pl/101380634845551738

@clacke

It would be great to have a way to tie a post as a reply to two of more other posts. For example;
* I post something
* three people reply separately along similar lines
* I want to do one reply post that addresses the points made by all three, and merge them into one thread, so we can discuss it together

@noorul
> recommended by Snowden

Yeah, I find that weird. Snowden may, for example, have only endorsed Signal as a good solution for average Jo Users wanting to avoid passive datafarming. I did a web search for Snowden's actual comments, but all I could find was gossip column quality commentary by journalists about what a fan Snowden is of Signal, in which any such nuance is long lost.

@clacke no chance of that. I'd have to give back my anarchist branded toasted sandwich maker ... ;P

@z428 remember that the fediverse is still the public web. Hyperlinks are your friends :) I sometimes find it helpful to reread whole fediverse threads and summarize the salient points covered and useful links shared in blog posts, and the same can be done as discussion starters on Loomio threads.

@z428 decentralized comms systems are are "better" than centralized ones in the same way published free code is better than secret proprietary code. The former provide various means of accountability that the latter do not (eg the ability to audit the code, or the ability to choose a trusted instance, to test for leaks between instances). That these accountability mechanisms exist is not an ironclad guarantee that they will be used, or that it will be enough. But it's still better to have them.

@wiktor this is true. But it's a lot simpler than figuring out how to securely use software private keys across multiple devices, including some you don't own, and only need to to use once or occasionally. With the physical key, it becomes a simple 2-step process:
1) insert key
2) login as normal
@bob @nolan

@tbernard @KekunPlazas
is #Fractal the personal chat app, or the team chap app, or has the plan to separate the two functions changed?
@bob @alcinnz @aral