Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 107

@bhaugen I don't do FB either (suspended my account almost 10 years ago and never looked back), but I've been told the FB group is very central, and I've seen criticisms of this inconsistency between ends and means in comments on the P2PF blog.
@ebel

@ebel agreed, Bob and I covered that in another branch of that thread:
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/101368632397626834

The indigenous people at the camp, according to a post by Michael Toledano (@M_Tol on twitter.com) are "peacefully protecting their drinking water from fracking pipelines":

Video activists #SubMedia have made a video on what's happening at an indigenous camp at Unist’ot’en, in Canada:
https://sub.media/video/crisis-at-unistoten/

@alatiera no offence, but it really doesn't add much to the discussion if you respond without even clicking the link to get the basic context for the discussion :/ The title at the top of the linked page says:

> Basic security precautions for non-profits and journalists in the United States

It doesn't give an rational for what thread model(s) it's assuming (if any), and I absolutely agree with @aral that it's unhelpful (even irresponsible) to give such advice without explanations and links.

@z428
> There are concerns about Signal, just like about every other channel available to date.

I think we definitely have consensus on that ;)
@gentoorebel

@rapnie
> Sorry for late response

Thanks for being so considerate. But the fediverse is an asynchronous medium, no need to apologize for taking your time to respond. I appreciate you following up at all :-)

BTW I do the same thing all the time but I starting to challenge it as part of a wider attempt to be self-aware about how I use the net, and how I feel about it.

@lj_writes isn't it though? Frances' writing on this seems to really striking a chord with a lot of people. She talks with so much wisdom and compassion in her chat with Tim Wise on his #SpeakOut podcast, which is well worth a listen. When Tim describes his interactions with the young skinhead, and acknowledging the real human pain he expressed at being cut off from his own ancestral cultures, it literally brought tears to my eyes.

#FrancesLee was interviewed by #TimWise on his #SpeakOut podcast. It's such a relief to hear people who clearly care passionately about social justice, critiquing the excesses of "call-out" culture, and emphasizing the importance of relationship-building to achieve lasting social change:
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/speakoutwithtimwise/episodes/2017-11-21T07_49_01-08_00

"The experiences of oppression do not grant supremacy, in the same way that being a powerful colonizer does not. Justice will never look like supremacy. I wish for a new societal order that does not revolve around relations of power and domination."
Frances Lee, 'Excommunicate Me from the Church of Social Justice'
https://www.autostraddle.com/kin-aesthetics-excommunicate-me-from-the-church-of-social-justice-386640/

If you're in Aotearoa (or Oz) in Jan/ Feb, look out for #permaculture troubabors the #FormidableVegetableSoundSystem, heading downunder for a summer tour:
http://formidablevegetable.com.au/tour-de-plants-summer-2018-19/

@policeinchains sorry for the delay in getting back to this. What do you think of Margaret Killjoy's extension of the basic #PoliticalCompass model?
http://birdsbeforethestorm.net/2016/10/lower-leftism-expanding-upon-the-political-map/

#ShowerThought creativity is the opposite of efficiency. Yet applied creativity can bring about greater efficiency, and efficiencies in some areas, can free and up time, energy, and resources for creativity in others.

@heluecht thanks for the tip, it seems like @cj managed to get in touch with them:
https://git.feneas.org/ganggo/federation/issues/17#note_4103

@bhaugen yeah, I remember that from when I brought up federated social networks on the #CommonsTransition group on #Loomio ;-) I can see the value of a group like #P2PF having a token "presence" there, to make them discoverable from those outside the choir. But it seems odd to hold their main forum discussions in a FB group, instead of on Loomio or some self-hosted forum system.
@ebel

@z428 BTW this conversation is very valuable, but is getting too detailed to carry on here. Figuring out how to solve these sorts of problems it exactly what the #OpenAppEcosystem group on Loomio was set up for. Feel free to contribute some of these thoughts to appropriate threads, or start a new one.

@artsyhonker amen to that ;-P
@vfrmedia