Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 114

@bikecurious
> users should have clarity on what is from OWS (Signal branded) and what is not

That's fair enough, although it was pretty obvious that LibreSignal was not Signal. I think the main think Moxie disliked about LibreSignal is that it reminded people Signal itself wasn't #libre (it is now, so LS achieved its goal).

@gentoorebel @noorul

@bikecurious Moxie even tries to claim TCP/IP and HTTP are being held back by being open standards, even though they work fine, and the #IETF and #W3C are discussing and rolling out incremental improvements to them as needed. He doesn't say (or doesn't know) that there are good reasons for keeping basement-level transport protocols stable, and innovating on the top of them.
@gentoorebel @noorul

@bikecurious Olm?

> Lightly maintained forks do hold back networks IMO

Yeah that's Moxie's argument in 'The Ecosystem is Moving'. I don't buy it. It's basically a 1990s-Microsoft-ish argument against #OpenStandards. If it was true, the internet and the web wouldn't work. What actually happens is that poorly-maintained clients just don't get used and eventually die (or just languish in obscurity).

@gentoorebel @noorul

@clacke I never successfully got a SIP client working, so you could write what I know about SIP on the back of a bus ticket ;)

@clacke AFAIK Jitsi has been an XMPP client since they changed the name from #SIPCommunicator to Jitsi.

@bikecurious ... and while they could have renamed it, there wasn't much point, since Moxie explicitly said he would take steps to identify and block any clients not distributed by #OWS from the Signal servers.
https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165
@gentoorebel @noorul

@bikecurious
> libsignal (which OWS never took action against it appears)

#IANAL but from what I understand, to be violating trademark law, you have to be offering a product or service to end users in some way. There's not much point taking trademark action against a programming library. But ...

> This project was abandoned because Moxie Marlinspike said he was not OK with LibreSignal using the Open Whisper Systems servers and the name "Signal".
https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal

@gentoorebel @noorul

@bikecurious
> Ubuntu Phone has a Signal Client

Intriguing. Have you got a link for the Signal client for #UbuntuTouch? I did a web search but couldn't find anything confirming that. All I found was this:
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/925#issuecomment-254835127

... and this:
https://forums.ubports.com/topic/195/signal-messenger-porting-progress
@gentoorebel @noorul

@ckeen maybe we need genderless robots to explain feminism to men ...
@AzureKingfisher @alxd

@ckeen that's new to me. Any links on that?
@bhaugen

@bikecurious does #Briar do voice and video chat, or just text?
@gentoorebel @noorul

It signifies exactly what it signifies, which is that Signal hasn't provided a warning system common on sites that serve activists, which allows them to warn their users if they've been compromised but are legally blocked from saying so explicitly. You don't think that's useful?
https://riseup.net/canary
@dgold @kawaiipunk @gentoorebel @noorul

@kawaiipunk can you give me an example?
@gentoorebel @noorul

@colomar right, which is precisely why Signal should *not* be recommended for use by journalists and "non-profits" (ie activists). As for recommending #WhatsApp #FacePalm
@stevenroose

@aral
> I agree with use and iPhone over Android

Really? Why? An Android device, with sufficient modification, can be made significantly more secure. Everything about the way iThings works makes it impossible for users to do any of those things. They are inherently pwned by Apple, not owned by the user.

@bikecurious AFAIK #GNU #Jami (formerly #Ring) is a serverless/ #P2P app, not a #SIP client. However, I do seem to have a knowledge gap when it comes to the relationship between SIP and #WebRTC. Any good links for filling that gap?
@gentoorebel @noorul @fdroidorg @finn @clacke

@Wolf480pl
> How about you?

That's a short question with a *very* long answer ;-P In a nutshell, revitalizing democracy at every scale from the neighbourhood to the global, including economic life (#CooperativesNotCorporations), and saving the biosphere from industrial capitalism. More details here, and on the rest of this wiki:
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/core-principles
@href @xj9 @feld @kaniini

@bikecurious I have an ancient Android (4.2.2) and F-Droid is constantly updating the apps I install with it. I can tell because sometimes when I check for updates in #Yalp there will be updates for apps I've installed with F-Droid, and the next time I check they aren't there (even though I didn't update them with Yalp). Sounds like you've struck a bug. Have you reported this behaviour to the F-Droid devs?
@gentoorebel @noorul @fdroidorg

@bikecurious BTW #WeeChat? They do know about #WeChat, don't they? ;-P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat
@gentoorebel @noorul

@bikecurious here's the forum thread where the whole sorry saga played out:
https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37

Reading this, and particularly Moxie's string of disingenuous/ evasive answers, were a major contributor to my arriving at the same distrust of Moxie and Signal that Drew did.
@gentoorebel @noorul