Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 126

@wiktor What I'm wondering is, why does #RocketChat not implement XMPP? As least as a plug-in, as they do with their #WebRTC support. In fact, imagine the net effect all the projects listed here would have it they all did the same (the ones that haven't that is):
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/slacking-off/
@jcbrand @stevenroose

@kris good question, I haven't tested either yet. #Osada definitely supports #ActivityPub, and #FunkWhale aims to support full AP federation, so maybe? If you try it, let me know how it works out :)

@wiktor@mastodon.sociaone other thing, l would also really appreciate some help from people who understand the nuts and bolts of network protocols with this attempt at mapping them on #MetaMaps
https://metamaps.cc/maps/3152
@jcbrand @stevenroose

@wiktor@mastodon.sociaone other thing, l would also really appreciate some help from people who understand the nuts and bolts of network protocols with this attempt at mapping them on metamaps.cc
@jcbrand @stevenroose

@wiktor please untag me from this nuts and bolts thread, it's a bit above my paygrade, and more than I can follow here. This is exactly the kind of discussion we welcome in the #OpenAppEcosystem group on #Loomio though!
@jcbrand @stevenroose

@wiktor I have the advantage of not being the muggins that has to *do* this stuff, but I find myself thinking something like; this stuff is all free code, right? Why can't you just pluck the UI layer off #RocketChat, and glue it onto the #Conversejs back-end? Or chop the XMPP support module out of Converse and plug it into RC? If apps are not this lego-like, why not? Isn't this the software freedom for users that sharing source code is supposed to allow?
@stevenroose @jcbrand

@wiktor I have the advantage of not being the muggins that has to *do* this stuff, but find myself thinking something like; this stuff is all free code, right? Why can't you just pluck the UI layer off #RocketChat, and glue it onto the #Conversejs back-end? Or chop the XMPP support module out of Converse and plug it into RC? If apps are not this lego-like, why not? Isn't this the software freedom for users that sharing source code is supposed to allow?
@stevenroose @jcbrand

@sheogorath also #Wire have plans to implement server>server federation, at least between Wire servers (hopefully more broadly too):
https://github.com/wireapp/wire/issues/160#issuecomment-446551908
@Privacy

@stevenroose yup, and building your own car from a kitset and doing all your maintenance is always the best idea too. That way you know everything's been done correctly, right? I'm sure we're going to be able to convince the general public to do both of these things #YeahRight ;-P
@jcbrand

@jcbrand funny, I made exactly the same point in the thread. There were some pretty legitimate reasons given as to why there are different levels of trust involved in serving JS via browser vs. serving updates via a repo or native client.
@stevenroose

@adfeno did you read the article?

@wiktor As I've said a lot recently, there's no reason an email client can't use both #email protocols and #XMPP protocols to provide a seamless delayed and realtime messaging experience, using a unified address book. We know it's possible, because #GMail and #GTalk did it. #Thunderbird have started to do it, but the UX needs a *lot* of work. Why are no webmail clients doing it?
@stevenroose

@wiktor
> think e-mail usage is declining as well, people migrate to messengers

This is *because* of the poor UX of email, and the fact that a lot of marketing goes into encouraging people to use chat silos. If we can improve the UX of email, that trend might well be reversed.
@stevenroose

Every time you drive a carbon-emitting vehicle a walkable distance, God kills a kitten. Think of the kittens :{

@ifixcoinops true. Especially when the danger is posed to other people. But the question I try to ask myself is, is this person willing and able to be changed by what is said to them? If not, I'm pissing into the wind, and could use my time and direct my *attention* more productively.
@msh

@wiktor thanks, I had a read. It's great that #Mailvelope is allowing use of PGP with webmail, and that there are ways of using the same keys on all devices I own. But this doesn't address any of my other UX criticisms about using PGP with email.
@stevenroose

A message to RadioNZ called for both the Police Commissioner and his Deputy to resign. Totally agree. Haumaha never deserved the promotion given his role in the Louise Nicholas case. Now that a public report confirms her concerns about him, Bush ought to be asking for us resignation. His failure to do so, and even give the public a straight answer about Haumaha's actions, means he's not up to the job either.

@doctorow the fact there's no evidence (yet) that these powers have been used doesn't change FBs disturbing failure to keep private communications *private*

@doctorow "Facebook also allowed Spotify, Netflix and the Royal Bank of Canada to read, write and delete users’ private messages, and to see all participants on a thread ..."
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20181219/10370941268/facebooks-latest-privacy-screwup-shows-how-facebooks-worst-enemy-is-still-facebook.shtml

This goes beyond surveillance (as if that wasn't bad enough), interfering with whether people receive private messages is manipulating their relationships.