Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 40

For some reason I find myself thinking about a way of presenting ideas in #hypertext, where fediverse posts can be linked into new sequences, making overlapping threads that layer on top of any threads the posts may originally have been part of. A different kind of federated wiki from the Smallest Federated Wiki approach (#FedWiki).

The second speaker is a young man in a cap and hipster glasses. He starts off with demonstrating something that involves a group of audience volunteers standing in a circle, numbering off. Then moves on to something about #Stanislavski and continuous consciousness.

#Netizen21 program is here:
http://caa-ins.org/archives/5895/2

The speaker names are all in Chinese, which I can't read 😞

The first speaker at #Netizen21, a woman in a pink lab coat, does an amazingly visual presentation on the mobile device as a magic mirror biased towards making everything "beautiful". She plays with these tools live on the screen, demonstrating "beautification" and then hacking this concept to showcase the more creative and expressive use these same tools can be put to.

@the_gayest_doggo there's at least a couple of issues here, and you seem to be willing to argue the toss, so let's unpack them.

> Tusky's blocking

Obviously there are a number of reasons for defending a perceived "right" of Cess.pit users to participate in the fediverse (agreeing with their politics, abstract freezepeech principles etc). But can we agree that it's possible to disagree on principle with the Tusky's dev's choice, without that really being about Cess.pit in particular?
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@the_gayest_doggo
> When you use tolerance to defend people who are attacking innocent people

Innocent people like the developer of Fedilab? People who use "tolerance" to defend the people attacking them are the ones being misguided and ideological.

@Wolf480pl In groups, on the other hand, the members are usually in the group because they share some common goals or values. Those are usually defined in some kind of #PrinciplesOfUnity document like a charter or a manifesto that members opt-in to when they join, and provide something beyond the self-interest of each member to ground consensus discussion in. What groups need is coordination tools, not tools that force them to cooperate in their own *collective* interests (ie elections).
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@Wolf480pl
> Of course, it's better to arrive at consensus by means of arguments, but that's not always possible.

The difference is one of both scale and common interest. At the scale of a country - or even a neighbourhood where people are there because they bought or rented a house there - people are forced to make decisions together about things that affect them all, despite having nothing at all in common. All election systems are engineered for this.
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@bhaugen
> economic networks composed of many independent agents

Do you mean a structure that serves some of the practical functions of a corporate structure (coordination, bulk buying etc) without the centralization, hierarchy, and value extraction? Like Enspiral but with the participating enterprises exchanging real world items like food or clothing, rather than online services?

@bhaugen @aran I presume that by "self-hosted" they mean a private instance they host for you, as opposed to a group of accounts on the company's public flagship instance. I agree this use of language is ambiguous to the point of misleading, just like #Discord giving communities their own "server", which is nothing of the sort, just a set of channels of their servers. I'm willing to give ERPnext the benefit of the doubt, for now, as it could be genuine confusion about the right language to use.

@lightone @liaizon have either of you edited the new version of the wiki yet? If not, all that's required is another bulk export/import from the old version to the new one, then luggage tags and locking, ideally all in one work session. Then we start editing the new one. Does that make sense?

@lightone @liaizon FWIW I'd suggest holding off on editing the new version of the wiki until we're sure we've merged all the changes from the old version, put up the luggage tags, and locked editing on it (if that's possible).

@liaizon we've been having a management of change discussion here:
https://git.feneas.org/feneas/association/issues/65

Can we continue all discussion on this there, so all of us and the Feneas folks are all on the same page?
@lightone

@kirschwipfel I've been coming across more and more cases where people don't even know they are running these trackers on their sites. They reuse themes or scripts they copy and paste from elsewhere to add something to their site, without any idea what they contain. This is part of my motivation for the #MakeJavascriptOptional campaign, just getting people to think deeper about the minimum their site really needs to serve to users to do its job.
@aral @Mastodon @Gargron

Great work @aral would be great to see a video of just your talk on PeerTube ...
@Mastodon @Gargron

@dredmorbius this is true. When the net was just the new ham radio, it didn't matter if the person you were talking to was a dog. These days, the net is a separate layer floating above the real world in the same that language is a separate layer floating above the real world. From a practical POV, they are as real as anything else about the social world.
@Wolf480pl

New #Disintermedia blog post on 'Attending the Upcoming Institute of Network Society Conference in China'
https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2019/11/19/attending-the-upcoming-institute-of-network-society-conference-in-china/

I agree @matt but never fear, @aral uses his words like scalpals when he's giving the actual talks. See:
https://www.ind.ie/videos/

@Gargron

Hey @bhaugen have you come across this project? Maybe relevant to what you're doing with #ValueFlows and some of your other economic network proiects?
https://erpnext.com/