Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 56

@jessmahler I get your point, but how the analogy works depends on how your define "public convo". Is it public just because you're in a public place? No. But if you say something in a public meeting, you can't reasonably expect that not to be recorded or archived. It seems logical to me that 'unlisted' or 'followers only' posts are like a private chat in a public place, while 'public' posts are like speaking at a public meeting. Again, I think our norms will evolve with our tools.
@rtwx @wion

Having said all that, I just remembered proposing pretty much the same thing some time back, including a reference to #Forget. I was inspired by the self-destructing messages in #Wire, and thinking it could be a good way to reduce the storage needs of the fediverse, as well as increase the signal-to-noise ratio of its archives.
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/101212607635047102
@rtwx @wion @jessmahler

@protonmail the cost of running the service divided by the number of users would also be a good metric to have transparently displayed. Then you know what they're making out of you, and what you could (hypothetically) pay to do do without them.
@pkimpton @10X @starbreaker

@tootbrute well, you can't expect the government to pay for looking after people's coats ;P

@selea it's flattering that you're assuming a level competence I don't yet have ;) PRT? ripe? ASN? #ELI5 please?

@rtwx fair points all round. I guess I'm just struggling to understand the motive for commenting publicly without keeping a record. If you want your chat to leave no ongoing public record, why not chat publicly on IRC? If you want it be ephemeral, why not chat privately on Jabber or whatever? Would you still be doing this if the #fediverse as a whole had reliably private DMs, groups, etc?
@wion @jessmahler

@wion
> follower/followee counts don't really matter.

Not as a metric, but if you're not interested in having people follow you and read your posts, why post on the fediverse at all?

> Forget ... leaves the most recent 100 posts, regardless of time setting.

Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

@selea how?

For comparison the government's 2019 budget allocated $168 million to buy back military style weapons from their owners:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/budget/113094053/budget-nz-2019-168-million-for-gun-buyback-scheme

That's more than 8 times the entire annual budget for the NZ Coast Guard. Probably enough to professionalize the entire service, as we did long ago with the country's firefighting service. Redirecting a small sliver of the NZ Navy's budget would cover it. Why isn't this a priority for NZ governments?

#NZ is an island country whose #CoastGuard is mostly staffed by volunteers. "It costs about [NZ]$20 million dollars a year to keep it's 80 vessels patrolling the water, it gets 12.5% of that from the government, and fundraises the rest."
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018702633/time-s-up-for-volunteering

#MaritimeNZ now wants them to raise another NZ$20,000 to pay a levy that used to be waived.

@enkiv2 #HunterSThompson would be turning in his grave at how these paranoid delusionals have distorted his ironic satire into Jonesian revelations ...

"Online anonymity will never be useful to governments and it won't be of much use to corporations either."
https://irlpodcast.org/season2/episode4/

They need anonymity more than anyone else! Think diplomats or executives discussing trade secrets. Of course, what's really meant here is *the public's* online anonymity. When you append "our" to the start of that sentence, then whether it's true depends on whether we're talking about democratic administrations (public or private) or authoritarian ones.

@Naughtylus none of them have achieved mainstream usage and I think what's mainly missing from all of them is a #UX accessible to the average user. This includes not just the UI but the whole onboarding process (from explanation to installation), ie what #Netscape did for the web, what webmail did for email, and what early IM clients like #ICQ did for chat. Preceding tools were not only awkward to use, for those not used to bash terminals, and therefore hard to understand at all.

"Get the cheese to sick bay!"
- B’ellana Torres, 'Learning Curve', '#StarTrek #Voyager'

@dredmorbius struggling with a non-standard keyboard ;) I'm not quite sure what you're saying with this post (presumably because you're trying to leave the keyboard), but I look forward to a more detailed response to the X/Y pair of posts comparing and contrasting fediverse instances with the Scuttlebutt network. In your own time of course :)

@dredmorbius with #Scuttlebutt everyone gets what they subscribe to. That's it. If you want to send Y over #SSB, you have to get users to subscribe to it *personally*, not just get admins to federate with it, in case it also contains some X some of their users might want in their timeline. If nobody subscribes to it, it doesn't get propagated. People running #SSB "pubs" can accept or reject a user, but they are not acting a sole gatekeeper for a captive market of users as instances do.
@clacke

@dredmorbius one problem with instances as an admin unit is that they create conflicts-of-interest between users and admins. Users want X in their timeline, but no Y on their instance. Admins have to maximize the amount of X available to their users (broad federation), but avoid anything considered Y by shouty users, on their instance or any other, or face defederation (massive loss of access to X). (1/2)
@clacke

@dredmorbius I get your point, but in practice it doesn't seem to be a problem for #Scuttlebutt (not yet anyway).
@clacke

@dredmorbius I mentioned instance-to-instance portability in the first half of the original post:
https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/102387192875540066

Zot's #NomadicIdentity is better than nothing, but keeping track of which is my primary instance, which I've cloned my channels to, and which are still alive, is a hassle. Also, if #Hubzilla instances use the plug-ins to federate with OStatus, AP, or Diaspora, it breaks NomadicIdentity, so ...
@alcinnz