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@bhaugen
Thanks for prompting closer look at locecon. I get it now
>analyzes aggregate flows of any kind of resource between agents
= hybrid between what I'd seen as two cases: traffic analysis across ntwk locations and meme/content analysis of traffic. Both views needed by community members? I'd been thinking *text* traffic not material trade.

Can locecon derive its own categories/tags for mapping or are these human inputs?

@mako @oli @richdecibels @Graham_Mitchell @dajbelshaw @mayel

@bhaugen
>not close to anything we have done
Serious computational challenge? Certainly a lot of learning hours and machine time. Analogous to accumulating algorithm-capital as commercial social media platforms have. Which rich folks like Cambridge Analytica and the Trump/Brexit campaigns hire by the hour.

But 'other memes' could be recognised and reinforced, if other pattern recognition machines were at work? Under P2P protocols!
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@dajbelshaw
One feature of an 'opposite' mechanism might be just to show *all* traffic and trends, not just 'winning' ones? Requires quite a complex and customisable UI of course, for ppl with more than 2sec attention span?
In historical-cultural analysis, attention is paid to residual and emergent formations, as well as dominant ones. Some form of meme-recognition required to spot these outliers? A qualitative not quantitative filter.
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@bhaugen
Yep 👎 follower counts. But I would love to see a behaviour-analytic pattern-recognition approach that tuned to humane, compassionate, generous etc communications and actions.

The Big Five and Myers Briggs are not the only frames for tracking memes! And propensity to follow or to buy are not the only filtering criteria! But I haven't seen a dhamma frame, for example, implemented in a meme-tracking algorithm. Would love to.

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@bhaugen
👌 ValueFlows. D'you intend system-level overviews, or just transparency across specific value nets, per-product?

For eco mappings - like your nice locecon example - I'm open to some automated pattern recognition too. Human recognition alone in the face of present complexity is on a failing slope? Problem is, ground-truthing & rating an algorithm's results?

SingularityNET is a surprise. I need to digest that one! Thanks :)
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@bob
I don't believe the clock can be rewound Bob - genie's out of the bottle? Rather there's now an evolutionary challenge of living well&wisely in a world we know to be enormously complex, composed of many cultural bubbles of knowable and maybe intimate community - but with intentional, respectful, well-informed and where possible direct P2P relations. At scale

I think this is called 'pluriverse'. It's a tough one. The available alternative is barbarism & media chaos? Villages not available!

@bob
I do agree, 'human network effect' and real social relations is what it's all about. But, since digitla-mediated life is lived so much now in bubbles, I feel it's important - for liberation movements - to have a realistic perception of what these bubbles are. Most doing crap stuff maybe! Many doing lovely stuff. I feel it's important to have a digitally mediated capacity to be realistic about the bubble-ness of present day living?

And then, develop real social relations.

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Is the rationalist ideology of free choice so embedded that we can’t acknowledge emergent properties of large aggregates of ppl?

Pls tell me these P2P self-reflecting data-analytic protocols and tools are actually out there, and I’m just listening to the wrong conversations!

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So why can I not see data analytic/pattern recognition toolsets being developed as intrinsic elements of P2P protocols?

Is the anarcho vision individualistic, like Margaret Thatcher, ‘there is no society’? Do FOSS folk fantasise that the only significant actions are the intentional ones, the connections we *mean* to make, with discrete materials we individually own and kontrol?
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Surely feds in the ‘verse need a mirror of their own *collective* acting/federating/publishing/sharing. Like birdsite shows ‘trending’ but more catholic. Like FarceBook sells profiles and target zones to marketers & alt-right ideologues. Don’t we need APIs that show ‘us’ to ourselves in the large? reveal emergent patterns in our tacit collective motion? help us see the movement in the movements?

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Puzzling again over why P2P and the fediverse seem uninterested in some of the core post-post-Fordist capabilities now exploited so horrendously against the Demos by silicon oligarchs, spy agencies and alt-right . .
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@wrb
One of the coops in the federation of Coop University providers is listed here, with other educational coops
https://www.uk.coop/directory/red-learning-co-operative
@mattcropp

@wrb
The Coop College (operated by Coops UK) is launching a Coop University.
>based on co-operative principles of democratic member control and the values of equity and equality.
I think it is planned to open its doors before the end of this year, and has been thro the government regulatory checks for higher eduation providers.
https://www.co-op.ac.uk/Pages/Category/co-operative-university
Courses will be from a federation of coop colleges. AFAIK there's no business model or financial plan on the website.
@mattcropp

@neil @LeoSammallahti @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
I reposted this thread with links in Loomio Commons Transition
https://www.loomio.org/d/YiGLvNnx/the-70s-commons-plan-that-came-from-the-bottom-up-lucas-aerospace-workers

@neil @LeoSammallahti @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
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Steve Sprung is scheduling a UK tour in the New Year, with speakers. I can DM you his email contact if needed. I hope to organise a local screening of the film in my city.

@neil @LeoSammallahti @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
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Links here for the full film
STREAM:
THE PLAN - Part 1
https://vimeo.com/349474515
Password: Combine1

THE PLAN – Part 2
https://vimeo.com/349484098
Password: Combine2

DOWNLOAD:
THE PLAN Part 1 & Part 2
https://my.hidrive.com/share/uz35vr6-vh

I had a problem yesterday with the download link for the 30min cut, but streamed it successfully. It gives a good sense of the full version. At this moment, the Part 1 file above seems to be downloading OK for me.

@neil @LeoSammallahti @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
Thanks :)
This does give the flavour of the quiet, intelligent, deeply politicised sense of ownership, of their capacity to *make* stuff and make the world better, by some of the leading activists in Lucas. The full movie has other dimensions too, which makes the whole thing a very moving, quietly passionate experience.
The 30min version gives a hint of this when, at the end, the bombs start to go backwards, back into the belly of the warplane.

@mike_hales @LeoSammallahti @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen

Looks like you can download a 30 minute version here: http://theplandocumentary.com/download/ - but as for the full version, seems like you'd need to organise a screening somewhere..