Notices by mike_hales 💔*!?¿* (mikehales@social.coop), page 5

@neil @LeoSammallahti @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
Further Lucas Plan links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucas_Plan
Another Sprung interview
https://www.mcnd.org.uk/2019/08/27/an-interview-with-steve-sprung-director-of-the-plan/
Newspaper article
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/oct/14/lucas-aerospace-1970s-plan-documentary-eco-pioneers

@neil @LeoSammallahti @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen There's a wonderful, ruminative (long) movie: The plan that came from the bottom, by Steve Sprung. Screened a year ago at ICA London
https://www.ica.art/films/plan-came-bottom
It's hard to find info on the movie and how to view it. This page is vacuous
http://lucasplan.org.uk/the-plan-film/
Interview with Steve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUTexqZuh6M
Movie trailer
https://spiritofmarckarlin.com/2017/01/24/steve-sprungs-the-plan-trailer-a-film-on-the-radical-lucas-plan/
I have email for Steve if you'd like to contact? Would be glad to know more myself, on availability. And success?

@strypey OK, found the link for Day 1 videos
http://platformhk.coop/live/#Day%201

@mayel Slight tangent . . I'm experimenting (tentatively) with #beaker browser & pages written in #markdown in a repo shared over #dat as a basis for a website hosted on my own laptop boosted via #hashbase platform host. Far fewer features than Mediawiki - unless somone arranges a beaker hackathon? But maybe a regime like this is within the limited scope of a 'non-admin' user? The P2P capability might offset fewer bells & whistles?
@bhaugen @KevinMarks @cwebber @neil @strypey

@dajbelshaw posted thoughts on Margaret Killjoy's helpful mapping of the 'lower-Left'. For some reason unable to respond in Wordpress, I posted (at length!) here
https://www.foprop.org/lower-left
#socialjustice #lowerLeft #heart-mind #literacy #commons
@kavbojka @Matt_Noyes @asimong

Asked @oli this today @ Open2018 - he says keep asking! Here goes . . There's so much pattern algorithm-power at work now, data analytics in the FaceBook back-office, in the military &c. Capability is huge.. When are we going to see this tech on our side, in the front-office (on clients? on coop platforms?) enabling us to become aware of patterns in our collective action that are invisible to us actors? Basic tech for P2P governance in chaotic systems?

Anybody in the fediverse at work on this?

What d'you make of this
https://medium.com/@daviddao/decentralized-sustainability-9a53223d3001
Blockchain+machine learning+Orstrom commons principles

I would love to feel happier with this radical stuff - but persistent talk of markets moneys and contracts just gives me the willies! Commons are not markets and coins+algorithms are not = empathy & humane vision? There will be great tools to build here. But first, dump this money/gaming/rule-following shit and place clever machinery firmly within circuits of wise heart & mindful awareness?

Of course, when talking #coops and #tools I'm thinking of social.coop too. If social.coop exists to cooperatively own and operate tool platforms (did I get that right?) . . what other tools than Mastodon will come under the umbrella? And which kinds of users will they be tools for? Tech nerds? Coders? Ordinary everday folks? P2P/solidarity economy activists? Etcetera. Diverse use cases, can't serve 'em all well?

Puzzled . . @mako makes a clear pitch on "Free software production needs free tools" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_nK6nP_RCY&feature=youtu.be
And is very clear on #commons and #P2P (though says most code comes from solo not collaboration!). Yet not a hint of coop ownership of #platforms to keep tools honest & open (GitHub!). Surely tools today become platforms? And platforms require collaboration even if code doesn't? So why doesn't #coop follow automatically, as we talk tools? How does libre not equal coop in FLOSS world?

Anyone have a view on #GitBook vs #MediaWiki as a public way of developing a collection of informative documents, and presenting a view of a system (organisation, campaign, movement). Open to continuous collective (re)writing.
Look&feel of GitBook seems so much cleaner, MediaWiki typography IMHO is not pleasing.

But what's under the hood? What are they like to manage & maintain? How easy is it to put a different skin on MediaWiki?
GitBook costs, but offers a not-for-profit free option.

@Antanicus There's #Enspiral too (the community of Loomio) - very sussed on the work involved, and processes for handling it transparently. #handbook is at https://legacy.gitbook.com/book/enspiral/enspiral-handbook/details . Financial transparency stuff is at https://handbook.enspiral.com/financial_transparency.html . Basic portal is https://enspiral.com

#Snowdrift.coop are VERY clear about their roles, processes &c. https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/about

After the #readinggroup was left wondering, some more, about relationships between #coop and #commons. Calls for thought?

So, if #mastodon is the #fediverse equivalent of #birdsite, what, please, is the fediverse #facebook?