Notices by 🏵️ virtualice 🏵️ (cobaltvelvet@octodon.social), page 40

@Sylvhem ça devrait être déployé :3

@val i haven't yet but i'd like to do that

@espectalll but why would you run rust on the jvm

"Performance" -> like rust but slower
"Polyglot" -> i'd tell one to get their shit together. there is *no* good reason to mix all that.
"Interoperability" -> like uhhhh an api

i can't think of *any* use for this that isn't a very convoluted entreprise-grade awful mess that should be avoided at any cost.

@jamey @ashkitten but does it have to or is it just comparing implementations? i'd love to be proven theoretically wrong but i'm not sure i am

@espectalll portability: never liked the jvm as a portability examples. it's always an awful experience to get the jvm somewhere. but yeah that's just because the jvm in question is badly done.

compatibility: really? java doesn't add much to that, except what is already based on java. i'd rather emulate it than add a layer :/

isolation: how so?

@espectalll what part of this cannot be done at least as easily as a rust crate

@espectalll yeah but even as a vm : w h y

why make something that will be inefficient by design when we know better

@val update: did it, nothing happened

@ashkitten @jamey yeah i mean there's not much unknown in that

python perl php ruby are "very slow", java c c++ go rust js in v8 are "fast most of the time" and java js will always be a little stuck behind the others for reasons

it's just, fuck vm layers, we don't have much good reasons to not optimize it properly once we compile it the first time

it's all those things that can and should be done once for any program, that i think shouldn't be done at runtime because of programmer laziness

@jamey orders of magnitude really? maybe most java developers i have witnessed are just incompetent then

it's just always so awful and excessively heavy in every possible way. desktop apps, web stuff, servers, ... there's one constant : it uses way too much ram and cp

and the dev tools, all bad memories

@val currently wondering if i should enable it

@woozle really depends on what it needs and what you'd be ready to learn for it

@Vopo yeah it's literally a perl template processor on steroids

it's like if people implemented a framework in go templates

@ciaby yeah that's very optimistic

@ciaby yeah sometimes i just want to give up being good and profit because i can, but i quickly feel awful and find some humanity back

@woozle why not?

@ciaby anarchocomunist when if feel good, libertarian for 5 minutes after i get paid, nihilist all the time

@woozle all of those, the entire general concept