Nice mission statement of the #fediverse (which Snowden uses to describe 90s Internet): "purpose was to enlighten, not to monetize, and it was administered more by a provisional cluster of perpetually shifting collective norms than by exploitative, globally enforceable terms..."
Mayel (mayel@pub.mayel.space)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Oct-2019 00:05:49 EDT
Mayel“As the millennium approached, the online world would become increasingly centralized and consolidated, with both governments and businesses accelerating their attempts to intervene in what had always been a fundamentally peer-to-peer relationship. But for one brief and beautiful stretch of time – the stretch that, fortunately for me, coincided almost exactly with my adolescence – the Internet was mostly made of, by, and for the people. Its purpose was to enlighten, not to monetize, and it was administered more by a provisional cluster of perpetually shifting collective norms than by exploitative, globally enforceable terms of service agreements. To this day, I consider the 1990s online to have been the most pleasant and successful anarchy I’ve ever experienced.”
"The unfortunate truth, however, is that the content of our communications is rarely as revealing as its other elements—the unwritten, unspoken information that can expose the broader context and patterns of behavior. The NSA calls this “metadata."
An additional feature that a fediverse client or server could build on top of circles would be bridging. Say I create a family circle, but have a couple family members who aren't on fediverse (weird, I know!), I could add them to the circle via their email, phone number, or even their Telegram handle (or whatever other thing competitive network effects has trapped them in), and my fediverse app or server could push my post to them through those channels. OK, now this just sounds like early TWTR :/
@bhaugen@lynnfoster@yaaps to clarify, I think anyone should be able to take an action within a group (as long as the group is discoverable publicly) by simply @ mentioning it (or an equivalent UI based way to post within a group), rules on the group's home instance then decided whether to take into account that particular activity from that particular actor (eg. whether its a member of the group, whether its a moderator, whether this user has permission to create an event, etc) and then publishes an Announce activity that points to the original activity, this making it an official group activity.
@bhaugen@lynnfoster@yaaps in AP a Group is an Actor, so it could definitely be an agent, or you could use the Organisation Actor for more formal structures. In my mind every action taken by a group is taken by a member (possibly based on roles/permissions) and the Announced by the group, while an Organisation could take actions in its own name.
@hhardy01 yeah probably in ActivityPub the solution is to use Group Actors on the user's home instance, so only they know group members (and can keep them private, maybe privately Announcing/retooting any replies the group receives to group members, like @datatitian's software does). So this would just be a UX layer on top of groups, as @xj9 suggested, with membership curation and visibility limited to the group creator.
@tao we definitely need to be much more mindful in our designs, experiments, and then what we push into the world, we may be trying to model digital space on the 'real world' but sometimes technology ends up modelling/shaping the real world right back. That's a lot of responsibility and needs to occur much more transparently, with user input and control at every step, and with the ability to press the big red button and cancel an experiment (even if it is 'successful' or profitable)
technologists often fail to understand that they’re creating models of the world and that 1) all models are imperfect, and 2) how you model something is a highly political decision
@yaaps I rather put labor up front to calmly curate my circles of trust rather than deal with shitstorms or simply way to noisy feeds later. It could also allow for people to have safe spaces to discuss sensitive issues like mental health, unionizing, etc