Notices by bhaugen (bhaugen@social.coop), page 2

#activitypub

Is there a full list of apps using the AP protocol? I don't mean AP site implementations like Mastadon and Pleroma, I mean specialized apps like:
* https://joinpeertube.org/en/home/
* https://medium.com/we-distribute/prismo-is-a-decentralized-link-sharing-app-powered-by-activitypub-f03bfe1cf935
* https://github.com/deiu/solid-plume
* https://pixelfed.social/
* https://write.as/

Are those accurate? Any others?

It's International Co-op Day!
https://www.ica.coop/en/events/international-co-operative-day

(Did somebody else post this before and I missed it?)

@cwebber @mayel @kaniini

I'd like to get some experience using Pleroma in my quest for an ActivityPub instance to use for economic networks. @mayel suggested social.coop which I like a lot.
I am aware that the fediverse contains a bewildering variety of social contexts and conflicts, so I am asking for recommendations.

@mayel @Antanicus @lynnfoster
If we get them working with activitypub, might even be able to use them from here.
We want a combination of social and economic networks.

@cwebber @lynnfoster @Antanicus

Should also tag @bernini who published that doc, and @mayel who is helping the project, and @StephR who is here from one of the interested user groups. We're all here in social.coop, brought here by @mayel

@Antanicus

@lynnfoster and I developed the value accounting software with #Sensorica.
This https://docs.opencoopecosystem.net/ is a follow-on project that is currently looking at #activitypub for connections between people, organizations, and flocks of apps.

@strypey

I mean literally their own instance. Agent-centric architecture. You are always communicating from your own AP.

Groups can be agents, too, and have their own AP, which you can federate with.

"Your own AP" could be hosted by somebody else, but you are always you in the whole fediverse, if you want to be. And you can move your own AP to a different host or host it yourself if you want.

@lynnfoster has been writing about this:
https://www.loomio.org/d/3wDCtkoG/structuring-the-oae-around-agents
https://www.loomio.org/d/Y8kHSzPE/activitypub-as-a-decentralized-oae-infrastructure-

@Graham_Mitchell @Antanicus @alcinnz

The big diff of protocol vs platform is that several different platforms (as in different apps using the same protocol) are now federated right here using the same protocol.

If you want, for example, to have a cooperative economic system, it better use a protocol so all the cooperatives can interact with each other.

@cwebber

@mayel and one of @StephR 's gang are communing about ActivityPub right now, charging ahead, doing experiments, learning how it works...they'll feed back when it's time.

@alxcndr @vfrmedia @jjg @mayel @gabe

https://p2pfoundation.net/ is anti-capitalist and emerged from open-source practices in one way or another. Likewise FairCoop. Probly more, but those came to mind immediately.

Re #decentralization: it won't necessarily fix the economic system.

See libertarians and anarcho-capitalists.

We might get from-each-according-to-ability but we won't necessarily get to-each-according-to-need.

But I do think it is a necessary corrective at this stage and opens the field for more cooperation on better stuff.

Word of caution: git-ssb works very differently from github/gitlab et al.
Would take some getting used to.

I'm asking for tips in SSB and will pass on anything that seems useful, if anybody wants.

@mayel @xj @bjoern @clhendricksbc @Gargron @h @Matt_Noyes

An article about how capitalist attempts at collaboration defeat themselves:
https://www.academia.edu/10252910/The_uneasy_transition_from_supply_chains_to_ecosystems_The_value-creation_value-capture_dilemma

Would seem possible for cooperatives of cooperatives to do better. But cooperatives sometimes fail to cooperate deeply with each other. Actually not easy to do so and still maintain focus on your own purpose. How to develop ecosystems of cooperatives? Anybody doing it?

Re #Microsoft eating #GitHub -

one more alternative: #git-ssb
For "using git collaboratively without a central, closed-source point of origin"

https://github.com/noffle/git-ssb-intro
https://git.scuttlebot.io/

@cwebber
@mayel
Now that I have semi-settled on ActivityPub as a direction, I am of course being sent criticisms:
https://medium.com/we-distribute/got-zot-mike-macgirvin-45287601ff19

I'll learn about all those details over time. Am not worried about the direction.

But all clarifying comments are welcome...

@seanl @mayel @bernini
The rough theory behind this is what the P2P Foundation called "mutual coordination economics", or what Holochain calls "agent-centric", or what Greg Cassell calls "agreement-oriented organization".

#introduction

I've been working since about 1995 on an #omegaproject to develop the software required for a something that I see in the hashtags here might be called a #solidarityeconomy.

Most recently working with @mayel and @bernini and others on an #openappecosystem using the #valueflows vocabulary and protocols.

Some relevant links:
http://mikorizal.org/
https://www.valueflo.ws/
https://www.loomio.org/g/exAKrBUp/open-app-ecosystem
https://www.opencoopecosystem.net/
What is an omega project:
https://vimeopro.com/andyet/andyet-conf/video/175370577