Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 131

@jcbrand
> Social media is in many ways toxic because of inconsiderate responses.

Yes, which is why I often link to Drew's blog pieces, and seldom to his #fediverse posts (unless I'm looking for examples of 'arrogant, self-important attitudes among software engineers' ;-)
@z428

@jcbrand
> And yet you post to this person's blog post on Electron ;)

Because I think it makes a number of legitimate technical points. His blog pieces on Signal and Slack are also very good, and I often link to them when discussing those datafarms. What, can I not agree with some things a person says and disagree with others (#BlackWhiteFallacy much?)
@z428

@jcbrand @z428 that's great! I'll add you to my list :)

@sir ... to clarify, in 2 minutes I would have brought #FreeCode software into existence where before there was only a package under a silly proprietary license
@Wolf480pl

@natecull I share your scepticism about crypto-tokens. There's a lot of fool's gold in them thar hill alright. But using a #blockchain is essentially a decision to use a certain kind of distributed database. With a lot of software, you could swap that out for a different database (and business model), and still have something of value. ie don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
@clacke @enkiv2

@Goffi thanks, this is getting much closer to what I'm looking for :)
@js @jcbrand @jaywink @ayy

@valerauko part of this may be because we're still federating with some apps over #OStatus, because we're still waiting for their #ActivityPub implementations to be rolled out. All I'm saying is it's a really important part of providing a smooth #UX across a diversely federated network.
@aral

@valerauko the #UX people expect (from our experience of the birdsite) is this; when I click on any post, the UI immediately places it in the context of its parents (the string of posts it's replying to), and its children (replies already made to it). Now that I'm on a Mastodon server, this mostly seems to happen. So I'm guess that when threads get segmented, it's when users on both Masto *and* non-Masto instances are involved.
@aral

@nolan It also makes 'favourites' less useful for what I've been using it for up until now, which is saving things to read / listen to/ watch / later.

@nolan I've come up with a hack for now. I'll just favourite every reply I want to comment on (so they don't get lost in the flood of boosts and favourites), and then un-favourite it when I'm done. It's not really a long-term solution if we want 'favourite' to actually mean what it says on the tin though, because I'll often be clicking 'favourite' on things I strongly disagree with, or think are disingenuous.

@jcbrand
> There are very few UI and UX designers active in the FOSS world (relative to the amount of developers and to their involvement in proprietary software).

This is true. But one reason for this is that #UX people who try to get involved strike attitudes like this:
https://cmpwn.com/@sir/101234103729898183

... and this:
https://cmpwn.com/@sir/101234107271965132

... and this:
https://cmpwn.com/@sir/101233838665868318

We need to make the free world *much* more welcoming and inclusive to people with skills other than programming.
@z428

@sir so you're now accepting it as a legitimate contribution? As for the time spent, isn't it a core hacker ethic to spend the minimum time for the maximum output? Writing fewer lines of the code is better than writing more lines of code, for the same result, right? How many hours would it take you to write AirChat from scratch? If my PR was accepted, I've done the same work in 2 minutes.
@Wolf480pl

Hey @matthieuaubry I'm not joining a dogpile here, I'm genuinely interested in what value you think a #FreeCode tag manager has. Any software can be used for unethical purposes. But what ethical purposes would you say a tag manager has?
@aral @Matomo

@aemon This is appalling #UX. The #SoftwareFreedom movement can and must do better. Victim-blaming people for staying with Google and the rest of the datafarms is a cop-out.
@bob @jcbrand @Aerdan

@aemon I didn't specify a *desktop* client. If there was even a single #FreeCode *webmail* client that integrated XMPP chat as smoothly as GMail did, people could have replaced GMail by just registering for a new email account as a hosting using it. Instead, they had to sign up for new email account, find a host for an XMPP account, choose an XMPP client for their OS, figure out how to install and configure it, and try to get all their email contacts to do the same etc.
@bob @jcbrand @Aerdan

@jcbrand not in my OS, or any OS that follows the Free System Distribution Guidelines #FSDG, because of it's dependencies on #Chromium
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#chromium-browser
@shura @z428

@switchingsocial maybe the XMPP-verse needs a site like fediverse.party, with curated lists of apps, servers, and clients, rather than just the sort of neutral collection the XMPP Foundation has to do?
@jcbrand @z428

@aral sure does, and I notice that broken threading puts a real limiter on the quality of discussions on the #fediverse. I'd really like to see all the #ActivityPub apps really focus in on getting threading working smoothly across the whole fediverse, and maybe write up implementation guidelines to be put up on places like activitypub.rocks, so new implementers can get it right too.
I'm on a Mastodon server, and I use #Pinafore.social as my client. They mostly reconstruct threads pretty well.