Notices by Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz), page 154

@bady @vu3rdd from a quick skim of the GH page, it seems like #Gitit uses Git as the database for an otherwise fairly standard web-based wiki. Is that a fair description?
https://github.com/jgm/gitit

@ldubost @bhaugen OK, trying that now. Last time I tried I just saw a blank page. Now I'm seeing more than I used to, but it seems to be stuck on a spinning loading icon. Here's a copypasta of the console output with some info about my system:
https://bin.disroot.org/?5fa87e8cd9dc173e#jputzNAcUr1OkgSado5YDDwQ5CZ8oz+HEU5mw+Sn3i8=

@musicman OK. Is Mike of #blocSonic active in the #fediverse?

@dazinism I've installed #NextCloud, #DavDroid, and #OpenContacts, as well as #K9, #QKSMS, and #Dialer2. Trying to get them all to work together smoothly is a nightmare. I get that it's a really hard problem, because I want people's contact info to be very secure when I store it, but I also want that data to be shared between the apps I need to use it with, remote backups etc.

@ella_kane I assume by "alts" you mean multiple online identities? Can you explain how you think they relate to moderating the flow of activity in online spaces? I guess I was thinking more of bounded spaces like web forums or Loomio groups, that rely to some degree on nurturing an ongoing community of participants, rather than networked media like the #fediverse where people can dip in and out of lots of different conversations.

One problem with proposals for paying people building digital commons with an online #MutualCredit system, is that it's only really useful if the things we really need to live (housing, food etc) can be paid for using the system. Existing money systems have a very powerful #NetworkEffect, that's even harder to compete with than FB

@rick_777 @Elizafox The problem is that when you put some people in front of a keyboard, they turn into aggressive dickheads. I'm a lefty with aggressively liberal social attitudes (do what you will, harm none), and offline I've had heaps of friends who are gay, bi, trans etc. But online I regularly get shouted down and blocked by people with a chip on their shoulder and a more-PC-than-thou attitudes.

The paradox of online spaces is that if they're too quiet, they seem dead, and people lose interest, but if there's too much activity, people get overwhelmed and drift away.

@LWFlouisa actually we had some really professional camera people, who did a great job, but it was a hot day, and there is a lot of background noise from fans running and street noise outside the open door ;-)

For me, it kinds of sums up the disconnect that can exist between the very well-intentioned people who a) develop software, b) deploy software to support community-building goals, and c) use that software in their communities. I'm convinced that hosting more conversations that include all three kinds of people could lead to improvements in the #UX of ethical tech, to the point where it's much better than any of the #DataFarms. That's my vision for the CTA and/or #OAE:
https://www.loomio.org/g/exAKrBUp/open-app-ecosystem

BTW does anyone know if the #Open2018 videos were published on any non-corporate hosting sites? A #PeerTube site, for example?

@Jewbacchus what I'd really like to be able to do is sort all the people I follow into self-defined categories (eg tech, writing, scifi etc), each with its own timeline. Kind of like the 'circles' concept from G+, or the 'aspects' concept from #Diaspora, but in reverse; filtering inputs rather than my outputs.

I finally got around to watching a bit of this video. The session was scheduled at the end of a a long, hot day of conferencing. But what made this session really tricky, was
that I'd envisioned it as a F2F for folks already active in (or at least aware of) the #OAE group on Loomio, but got a much more diverse bunch of people, wanting to discuss all sorts of things. It ended up requiring much more active facilitation than I was prepared for, and the result was a bit all over the place ;-P

Here's a video of the #OpenAppEcosystem session I tried to facilitate at #Open2018 in London a few months ago. Apologies for the patchy sound quality.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=WJR7IHeLADo

@hexmasteen @HerraBRE @alexl @Blort
Most #Chromium based software can't even be confirmed as #FreeCode software to the standard required for being listed in the #FreeSoftwareDirectory. AFAIK #Iridium is the only project accepted into the #FSD that uses code from Chromium:
https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Iridium_Browser

@hexmasteen @HerraBRE @alexl @Blort I don't think #Electron is the best solution. I prefer the way #Mailpile serves the UI using the default browser already installed on the system, rather than bundling most of an arguably dodgy browser (Chrome) in with the app, and using up heaps of memory in the process:
https://drewdevault.com/2016/11/24/Electron-considered-harmful.html

@mlg the industrial food system is also incredibly inefficient at distributing food. Some estimates suggest that up to a third of all the food it produces never gets eaten. The documentary Dive explore this problem, as does this talk by Tristram Stuart:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=cWC_zDdF74s

@mlg by "socialist agriculture" I presume you mean Soviet or Chinese agriculture? These were/are also forms of industrial agriculture. Agriculture that relies oil-driven machinery, and inputs that travel long distances on oil-driven supply chains, isn't going to feed anyone for much longer. Here's a 2001 article from a Public Health journal discussing the problem:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3154242/

@Wolf480pl as the author says in the linked article, focusing on consumerism misses the point. The root of the problem is not what people buy. It's the decisions made by financial elites (them with all the capital, or "capitalists"), about what's available for people to buy, and how it gets produced, and how much different kinds of jobs get paid, and whether or not ways of living that don't involve buying and jobs are tolerated. The word for that, coined by Marx, is "capitalism".

Anthropologist #DavidGraeber gives the Tl;DR of his 2013 book 'The Democracy Project' in this 14min #TedX talk:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=5eR_95slEFw