bes (bes@io.schiessle.org)'s status on Friday, 15-Sep-2017 05:29:19 EDT
bes@masoud I agree in general. I also think it is nothing Free Software specific. But I think it is a difference if we talk about any consumer device you run by your own and only for yourself or if it is a server accessible in the Internet for everyone. Basically what we are talking about in this case, if you want to have it supported in a way that the user don't have to care, are managed servers for everyone on their phone or their pluggable devices and we know how expensive this is.
@majestyx not everybody has to do everything by its own to live in freedom. For example I prefer to go to a craftsman if i have something complicated to build/repair, to a hairdresser to cut my hear to a garage to fix my car, etc. I also don't write and fix all my software, even if everything is Free Software. It is important how things are build, who has control over it and whether I can do it by my own if I want to and have the knowledge + time. But saying that everyone runs their own servers on their own phones or at home isn't really a positive outlook in my view. On the other hand saying that everyone will be able to, is positive. But I thing the reality will (hopefully) never be that everyone does so or even have to.
@maiyannah @amsomniac @masoud Additionally there is all the stuff not strictly security related but still relevant. What do you do when the hardware breaks? What do you do when the software breaks after an update? How to handle backups? Move to a new device? and so on... Everybody who already run his own server know what I'm talking about. I don't thing that this is something you can put in the hands of everyone. That's why I thing it makes a lot of sense to have federated services where experience people can run the nodes for their family, sports club, whatever.
@amsomniac @bes @masoud @maiyannah if you run such services on your mobile phone your phone will be accessible for everyone like any other web server. If one of the components on the phone (web server, the service you run, etc) is not secure, risk is high that a lot of phones will be hacked and used for botnets, etc
I see a similar problem for ideas like the freedombox and pluggable pc's. All this is nice in theory but in practice, you also have to administrate and maintain such devices. It is not done be buying such a device pre-installed, plug it in and done. Having a lot of control also means a lot of responsibility, knowledge, interest in doing all this stuff and last but not least time.
@masoud @maiyannah it is not only the network technology. I also don't see how you should be able to run something like GNU Social, your Nextcloud or whatever on a mobile phone. And then, if all this is solved I fear that this would lead into a security nightmare. Most of the people will just don't know (and don't care) how to keep such a server secure, update regularly, handle incidents, etc.
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@lnxw48a1 I read a article a few days ago which mentioned that Mastodon will remove OStatus with Mastodon 2.0. But I can't find the article anymore, so maybe this was wrong.
@mmn @grmpyoldman @oxenfree @cybermeow @elizafox @cyberpotato @cajun @thatbrickster @lain @heluecht @mmn @cwebber @gargron just to get a better understanding about the overall situation. As far as I know Mastodon will stop OStatus support with v2.0. Are there any concrete plans from you or any other GNU Social developer to implement the new protocol or do we have to expect that both GNU Social and Mastodon will become incompatible?