@bhaugen @Matt_Noyes @h @Gargron @clhendricksbc @bjoern @xj
There is https://www.coops.tech/ in the UK trying to do this for tech co-ops
@bhaugen @Matt_Noyes @h @Gargron @clhendricksbc @bjoern @xj
There is https://www.coops.tech/ in the UK trying to do this for tech co-ops
@mayel @xj @bjoern @clhendricksbc @Gargron @h @Matt_Noyes
An article about how capitalist attempts at collaboration defeat themselves:
https://www.academia.edu/10252910/The_uneasy_transition_from_supply_chains_to_ecosystems_The_value-creation_value-capture_dilemma
Would seem possible for cooperatives of cooperatives to do better. But cooperatives sometimes fail to cooperate deeply with each other. Actually not easy to do so and still maintain focus on your own purpose. How to develop ecosystems of cooperatives? Anybody doing it?
@Matt_Noyes @h @Gargron @clhendricksbc @bjoern @xj
In short, interoperability and federation (which are often not in capitalists' best interests, because competition) means that reaching and maintaining critical mass and network effects *should* be much easier compared to a startup that needs to grab monopoly over a niche to reach those. If only we had better UX...
@xj @bjoern @clhendricksbc @Gargron @h @Matt_Noyes
There are some ways our tech can actually be superior. Will try and expand on it later (I'm actually giving a talk about this in a few hours)
@h @Gargron @clhendricksbc @Matt_Noyes @bjoern The idea of federating Gitlab has been floating for a while, but from they moment they took VC funding, they are probably disincentivised to do so. Maybe a fork or some form or plug-in is needed?
@h
It seems like Gitlab considers to enable federation between various Gitlab instances, but I don't know the current state. I could imagine that ActivityPub would be a great protocol to federate the issue and maybe even send fork, merge, etc requests. https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/4013
@Gargron @clhendricksbc @Matt_Noyes
A big part of the reason so many people use github is because it makes projects and code discoverable, which is obviously great to have for many reasons, for whoever needs the code.
You don't get discoverability if Gitlab instances are self-hosted, decentralised, but "unfederated".
@Matt_Noyes @clhendricksbc Ideally, what would be interesting to see, in my opinion, would be more Gitlab instances plus some code that in theory could enable Gitlab work in a federated way, in ways similar to Mastodon. (yet inexistent at this time, as far as I know)
It could be something following the model that @Gargron designed, beginning with mastodon.social, and then encouraging horizontal growth of the network instead of the growth of one instance.
@clhendricksbc In the case of github, their VC-funded business model depends on centralisation.
In the case of Gitlab at least the software is open or free and we can break with that centralisation.
The main problem with that is that Gitlab can be self-hosted (and therefore be used in a decentralised way), but Gitlab instances are not federated.
It's pretty amazing that at the exact same time that Google employees are leaving in droves because of Google's participation in the mass murder industry, cooperativists of a relatively prominent voice decide it's not too bad to be so willing to "partner" with Google.
Just fuck off, no excuses needed, just go and take the money.
@dajbelshaw It would be much more attractive with SSD
@Daoyang oh are you in Exarchia as well? :)
Loving the sweet peppery smell of tear gas in the evening.
#Exarchia dans la peau
I use Wikipedia and Wikiquote regularly, but I really need to explore the Wikimedia Foundation's offerings in more depth!
A warm welcome to Mayel de Borniol, our new MoodleNet Technical Architect!
@mike_hales #Hubzilla? https://project.hubzilla.org/page/hubzilla/hubzilla-project
So, if #mastodon is the #fediverse equivalent of #birdsite, what, please, is the fediverse #facebook?
#Capitalism #Exarchia https://social.coop/media/Y5gnmDQwtJbsLZOH3H0
Peertube is opening a worldwide paticipative funding! :)
For those who don't know yet it is a decentralized and opensource youtube alternative developped by @Chocobozzz and supported by @Framasoft
More info here : https://joinpeertube.org/en/
The campain is here :
https://www.kisskissbankbank.com/en/projects/peertube-a-free-and-federated-video-platform/
Do not hesitate to share :)
Is anyone doing a #federated #OpenSource alternative to Meetup.com?
It's useful for local events, but very expensive for organisers ($15 a month for a basic events page). People pay purely because others use it, an open alternative would be 👍
Meetup's "network effect" might be overcome because it isn't a global network (e.g. someone in London is only going to care about meetups in London).
Also, an open alternative would be perfect fit for #federation, each community having its own instance.
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