In theory, I agree, but in practice, I have used #Ring, the earlier version of #Jami. The experience was so poor that I can no longer get my in-person contacts to try anything that is not #Facebook / #Instagram / #Zoom. And that's without ever trying the #videochat functionality ... we only used text chats and it was still a really poor experience.
I've heard it got better, but of course, none of my in-person contacts will try it again. This also affects apps like #Briar and #Session.
@lxo Unless the people using #Jami are pretty advanced, they won’t like it. Having to be online at the same time, difficulties trying to use the same ID on multiple devices, those are things that most people will not tolerate.
Maybe they have fixed some issues since I last tried to use it, but it was unpleasant to use during and shortly after the GNU #Ring days.
@geniusmusing @lxo This is important. #GNU #Jami used to only send when both parties were online simultaneously. If the parties in the conversation are in different timezones, that may not happen often.
Users reasonably want end-to-end encryption (E2EE), but still want some basic usability.
(The experience back in the GNU #Ring days was pretty bad. Even today, none of my contacts will reconsider it.)
Likewise, I’ve pretty much abandoned #Jami (or #Ring, if you used it previously) because all my contacts dumped it years back when an update forced everyone to re-add their contacts.
Experience with #Jami's ancestor #Ring tells me that it needs a fairly technical user who is willing to tolerate some annoying deficiencies. My contacts have all dropped it, including one son who is a network engineer.
Be careful about promoting it to people who are not willing to endure those things, or we can chase people away from all non-Facebook communications software.
Thanks. This is a tough one. #Wire is the first and only privacy-centric tool that is in widespread use among my friends and family. Several of them tried #Ring (now #Jami) before that, but it was a bad experience all around and cries of "it got better" won't get anyone to try it.
@clacke Jami = #Ring. New name. When did you try it last?
> This is a conundrum for p2p communications
... with devices that depend on battery power. True. Although I think it has as much to do with the efficiency of subsystems that handle things like push notifications as the apps themselves. I suspect grown-up GNU/Linux coming to mobile devices will lead to improvements in this that aren't possible with kindergarten OS like #Android. @AmarOk@nurinoas@teaneedz
@rw A few family members complain that I can’t see their calendar events, but the biggest annoyance I have with not being a #Facebook user is all the people that say “did you see what cousin so and so just said?” and then stick their phones in my face.
If I wanted to see all that random garbage, I would still have an account.
Yes, but how can we get in touch with you?
Let me count the ways: * call * text * !XMPP * #Wire * #Ring / #Jami * e-mail * in person * contact any of my sons, nephews, siblings, my youngest niece, the cousin that lives in TX, or my mom and ask them to forward
That conversation would have been at least a year ago, and probably on #Wire -- my main laptop with all the comm clients on it has been relegated to to the basement to be a server (dead screen), and my currently laptop lacks the oomph to do things like #Ring / #Jami / #Wire
I think I had a brief text conversation on #Ring / #Jami with @bobjonkman a couple of months back, and that is the only one since November of 2017. . I think it is time to declare it dead and bury the carcass.
@bob #Tox was one of four things (Tox, #Ring, #Matrix, #Wire) I tried to get family members to try out a couple of years back. None of them ever did, so I cannot say whether Tox is useful (being that I have never actually used it).
I made the mistake of trying to get a group of family members to migrate to #Ring / #Jami about 18 months ago. At the time, there was no presence indicator, so it was "send message, hope the other party is there to receive it; oops, message is hung up trying to send, I guess they aren't online right now".
Then came an update that meant needing to re-request connection with all my contacts, and that was it. A single contact confirmed connection, but I never again successfully sent or received a message*, and they all stopped using it.
* I believe I successfully sent one message to BobJonkman a day or two ago, but he was away, so no answer was received.
Logged into #Ring / #Jami to add @davehunt and @bobjonkman and see if it has improved since my contacts abandoned it after an update forced contact re-requests.
@davehunt @bobjonkman I still have it installed under its old name #Ring. I'm not often online, because none of my contacts use it any more, but I'm "lnxw37" there.